BladeForums.com - Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/ Discussion of classic Hunters, Trappers, Lockbacks, Slipjoints, Skinners and other classic designs en Wed, 22 May 2013 15:59:50 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/images/misc/rss.png BladeForums.com - Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/ Thank you, Doug Add! http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070775-Thank-you-Doug-Add!?goto=newpost Wed, 22 May 2013 13:38:02 GMT A few months ago I made a comment about a "Ferrari Red" smooth red bone Boker 1988 Classic that he had posted. It made me think of one of the dream sport cars that I'd never have the opportunity to own or even take for a spin around the block. Doug, out of the blue, send me a pm asking for my address to send this red beauty my way.

Living in Mexico most of the time, it would be several months until I got to pickup the package at the border in Texas. On the 8th of May, I finally got this little red gem in my hand. Thank you, Doug for your generosity. One just never knows what might happen here in this unusual sub-forum! A great place to hang out and relax. :cool:
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]]> Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades jakemex http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070775-Thank-you-Doug-Add! <![CDATA[The Sad Demise of Sheffield's Old Cutlery Factories]]> http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070765-The-Sad-Demise-of-Sheffield-s-Old-Cutlery-Factories?goto=newpost Wed, 22 May 2013 12:49:54 GMT Image: http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/5095/kelhamisland2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/534/kelhamisland2.jpg/) A few weeks ago, while on a visit to Sheffield, with the bribe of a pub lunch, I dragged my daughter down to one of Sheffield’s old industrial enclaves, with the...

A few weeks ago, while on a visit to Sheffield, with the bribe of a pub lunch, I dragged my daughter down to one of Sheffield’s old industrial enclaves, with the intention of taking some photographs of the former factories. It’s not long since I was last at Kelham Island, but the continuing deterioration of Sheffield’s industrial heritage left me shocked, particularly the state of the once impressive frontage of the Green Lane Works. I was left so depressed by the experience I haven’t posted these pics until now, but in searching out links to the old factories, I came across a lot of internal shots posted by ‘urban explorers’. I’ve included links to some of these sites, others can be found by a simple internet search. I hope the photographs and links are of interest.

Jack

Green Lane Works as it was:



And as it stands today





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Lane_Works

The Globe Steel Works:



And in the past:



http://www.sheffieldhistory.co.uk/fo...works-alma-st/

Wharncliffe Works







http://www.flickr.com/photos/sqwashe...6579/comments/

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/...er-2011-a.html

Looking back to George Barnsley & Sons’ Cornish Works



http://www.whateversleft.co.uk/tag/george-barnsley

http://www.derelictplaces.co.uk/main...4#.UYpsDqLCaSo

http://www.ukurbex.com/index.php?/to...d-august-2010/

Alfred Beckett & Sons



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn_Works

Globe Works







http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globe_Works ]]> Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades Jack Black http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070765-The-Sad-Demise-of-Sheffield-s-Old-Cutlery-Factories Schrade Cut Co. Walden NY Electricians lock mystery? http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070739-Schrade-Cut-Co-Walden-NY-Electricians-lock-mystery?goto=newpost Wed, 22 May 2013 05:39:43 GMT Image: http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Vintage-Schrade-Cut-Co-Walden-NY-Electricians-Pocket-Knife-Wood-Handle-/00/s/OTYwWDEyODA=/z/7JMAAOxyoA1RT0uA/$T2eC16FHJH8E9qSEUc7MBRT0t+tT+g~~60_57.JPG?rt=nc hey all, I was hoping someone could help me with a problem, I picked up this Schrade Cut Co. Walden NY...

hey all,

I was hoping someone could help me with a problem, I picked up this Schrade Cut Co. Walden NY Electricians from a certain auction site. I love this pattern in all different kinds and have been having a fun time with older Schrades as well so couldn't help it. it need some TLC and a new pair of edges but the scales are good and it just caught my eye (for $9, most old knives will :)) besides it helps while I stew over all the new GECs I need and can't get right now :)

I don't have my own pictures yet so I'm swiping them from the sale post if that's okay till i can snap some;


Anyway it arrived as described, have nice ebony scales, very happy (I like the blade mod on the screwdriver bit, reminds me of an awl.

Anyway the "problem" came when i tried to close the blades, the main blade went down like a good slipjoint but the screwdriver blade wouldn't budge. i thought it might have a rusted spring but the more i played with it the more convinced i became that it was in fact locked...with no apparent locking mechanism.



I sent the seller a message but since the transaction is now closed don't expect a reply back. I don't want rid of it, I'd just like to know how it works. Anyway I carefully got it back open (don't ask, I was careful enough not the damage it, that's all I want to say) and found what looks to be distinctly like a lockback system on the "tang" of the knife. In fact I'd go as far as to say it is, and this seems confirmed by page 100 (page 8 on the pdf file though) on this Scharde catalog I found with a few simple searches:

http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r....upplements.pdf

Or it could just be pointing to a more typically liner lock system ("center lock") that i can't make out in the picture.

Anyway, anyone have any ideas? My new knife seems to lock with no apparent mechanism for unlocking it, it doesn't seem modded past the blade mod and a slight angle cut into the bolsters:



Anyway, it's kinda of made my day, and it was pretty good day anyway, I like mystery, i like knives, but I seem to have struck out solving it so i'm appealing for help (anyone wanna be Watson to my Holmes? or I'll be Watson, I don't mind either way :p)

thanks for checking ti out anyway ]]> Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades KYenglish http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070739-Schrade-Cut-Co-Walden-NY-Electricians-lock-mystery Big thanks to Duane (sitflyer)! Contento Sodbuster! http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070692-Big-thanks-to-Duane-(sitflyer)!-Contento-Sodbuster!?goto=newpost Wed, 22 May 2013 03:10:13 GMT I bit over a week ago Duane, aka sitflyer on the forums, sent me a pm asking me for my address. A few days later this lovely Contento sodbuster arrived in my mailbox. Duane include a nice letter stating that he appreciated my dedication to the sodbuster pattern and wanted to add this beauty to the... I bit over a week ago Duane, aka sitflyer on the forums, sent me a pm asking me for my address. A few days later this lovely Contento sodbuster arrived in my mailbox. Duane include a nice letter stating that he appreciated my dedication to the sodbuster pattern and wanted to add this beauty to the collection so it had a nice home. It now has lots of friends to hang out with over here at my place:D Needless to say, Duane's generosity is very humbling and greatly appreciated! The generosity and camaraderie of many of he members here in the traditionals never ceases to amaze me...:)

So i tried to research the knife a bit. From what I could dig up the knife was probably made in the Carl Schlieper factory Germany during the late 70's or 80's. The Blade seems to be carbon steel since it has some patina spots. I don't know if the handles are acrylic or some sort of plastic, I couldn't find any info on what they used for their colorful handles. As you can see it has some beautiful colors and some metallic flake in the handles that really sparkle when light hits. She's a big sodbuster, not the smaller kind like the case sodbuster jr. It feels good in the hand and would be a true work horse capable of many task. So thanks again Duane, you rock bro:thumbup: Here are a few pics











]]> Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades trevytrev http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070692-Big-thanks-to-Duane-(sitflyer)!-Contento-Sodbuster! What year did Case stop making the half stop feature in their Barlows? http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070666-What-year-did-Case-stop-making-the-half-stop-feature-in-their-Barlows?goto=newpost Wed, 22 May 2013 01:54:36 GMT I did Google this but still not sure. I have two now, and the older one has a very pronounced half stop but not so much so with the new one? Was it a certain year? I did Google this but still not sure. I have two now, and the older one has a very pronounced half stop but not so much so with the new one?
Was it a certain year? ]]> Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades MTHall720 http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070666-What-year-did-Case-stop-making-the-half-stop-feature-in-their-Barlows What Does a Nurse Take to War? http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070621-What-Does-a-Nurse-Take-to-War?goto=newpost Tue, 21 May 2013 23:30:37 GMT This recommended packing list for WW2 American Army nurses just appeared on Slate.com.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_vault...or_europe.html

Note near the bottom of the page the suggestion of "Scout knife" (with the comment "mighty handy"). I wonder how many 1930's-vintage Girl Scout knives went to war with their owners? ]]> Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades iSaur http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070621-What-Does-a-Nurse-Take-to-War GEC #68 Pony Jack http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070616-GEC-68-Pony-Jack?goto=newpost Tue, 21 May 2013 23:15:22 GMT It looks as if GEC will be making a Jack version of the white owl with the #68 Pony Jack. I've been kind of holding out on the #68 white owl and the #66 serpentine Jack in hope that GEC would make a Jack version of the #68. Photos at the GEC website indicate this to be true, and I can't wait to get my hands on one or two.

The first photo is from GEC's website showing parts for the #68 Pony Jack during production. The following photo is of my late grandfather's Ulster equal end Jack which is the knife that had me hoping that GEC would someday make something similar...



]]> Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades burnside http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070616-GEC-68-Pony-Jack Are Canal Street knives factory sharp? http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070351-Are-Canal-Street-knives-factory-sharp?goto=newpost Tue, 21 May 2013 02:02:59 GMT Are Canal Street knives sharp....really sharp....out of the box? Are Canal Street knives sharp....really sharp....out of the box? ]]> Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades dan oliver http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070351-Are-Canal-Street-knives-factory-sharp What are gaps? http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070294-What-are-gaps?goto=newpost Mon, 20 May 2013 23:50:15 GMT A forumite recently posted about receiving a Case knife with no gaps. I found that absolutely incredible. All of my production slipjoints have gaps. Granted I have a fairly small collection and I don't have the experience with them that most of my fellow forumites do, but you would think that I would come across at least one or two slips that don't have any. Am I just unlucky?

Or is it a matter of definition? At its most basic, a gap is nothing more than a space between two objects. In this case, gaps pertain to the spaces between the spring, liners, bolsters, and covers. I guess you could also include the transition between covers and bolsters. Each and every production slipjoint that I have seen has gaps, as evidenced when you can see light peeking through the spine. As a result, I don't worry about it much. If I can't fit a piece of 24# paper all the way through, gaps are a non issue to me.

What say you? How do you define gaps? How often do you get a knife without any?

- Christian ]]> Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades kamagong http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070294-What-are-gaps The GEC new 23TL ....Is it just me or...? http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070246-The-GEC-new-23TL-Is-it-just-me-or?goto=newpost Mon, 20 May 2013 21:44:56 GMT Found this http://greateasterncutlery.net/blog/gallery/23-tl/ five minutes ago and ,I get a lot of questions on this design:

1.The TL, may stand for "Top lock", which reminds me a lot about lever locks on many old stilettos or automatic knives. However ,is this ,by which I mean every element of the exactly design ,a traditional lock ?(Some gravity German blades do have a lever lock on the top ,but they are OTFs )

2.The end of the lever ,with nothing protruding, seems to be hard to lift ,especially considering GEC's famous bear-trap back spring. Maybe a winner of all nail breaker?

3.When the knife is unlocked will it be very smooooth thus the blade may fall freely ? (Ive never own a lockback GEC so Ive no idea what would happen if the blade is moving without the tension of back spring)

4.What is the advance of this design ? ]]> Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades aadhtbb http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070246-The-GEC-new-23TL-Is-it-just-me-or Let me show you the most exelent pattern. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070221-Let-me-show-you-the-most-exelent-pattern?goto=newpost Mon, 20 May 2013 20:33:49 GMT I do exchange a bit with my EDC knife. Of all the knifes I own I tend to use a Case medium stockman, a case swayback jack, and this Small trapper the most. Its because they have exelent size and cv steel. I aso use a schrade and a Buck stockmans just about the size and a Case junior scout in... I do exchange a bit with my EDC knife. Of all the knifes I own I tend to use a Case medium stockman, a case swayback jack, and this Small trapper the most. Its because they have exelent size and cv steel. I aso use a schrade and a Buck stockmans just about the size and a Case junior scout in regular EDC rotation but the 3 CV cases are my lieblings. Of theese patterns I think the small trapper has the best composition in its pattern. 2 long enough blades in a 3.5 rounded frame, what a perfekt package. Small for the pocket and big for the use. I so wish that I sometimes will own one of theese with a warncliffe secound blade in a custom micarta shadow pattern.



Bosse ]]> Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades NirreBosse http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070221-Let-me-show-you-the-most-exelent-pattern The cost of a new pocket knife (then and now) http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070217-The-cost-of-a-new-pocket-knife-(then-and-now)?goto=newpost Mon, 20 May 2013 20:21:03 GMT Had a little time to relax a bit at work this afternoon and did something I have wanted to do for a long time: browse the sticky posts at the top of the forums. In particular I found the one of old knife advertisements fascinating. What surprised me was the price on these knives. I have... Had a little time to relax a bit at work this afternoon and did something I have wanted to do for a long time: browse the sticky posts at the top of the forums. In particular I found the one of old knife advertisements fascinating.

What surprised me was the price on these knives.

I have always heard that traditional knives were the working man's knife. That they were, by and large, inexpensive and disposable. I'll admit that this always conflicted with the part of me that remembered that so many of these knives were well cared for and carried for LONG periods of time. I figured maybe we were romanticizing things just a tad. Maybe the knives really weren't that cheap compared to today's offerings.

The first ad was from Hibbard, Spencer, and Bartlett Co in 1886. The average US income (via google) for that time period was about $2.50 per day. Looking at their knives (which were wholesale priced I assume) they started at $2 to $3 per dozen for a single blade with iron liners. Ah, not so bad. An hour's work we'll say for a single knife by the time markup and shipping are included.

But then I started seeing the Ulsters and eased into the German Silver bolsters and brass liners. Multiple blades were added as I went along. The price per knife started easing up. Suddenly you had knives getting up into the $1 range after you ship it and mark it up. Looking at the pearl and stag handled knives gets you up to the $2 to $3 range at the listed price. But by and large it looks like $1 and change could get you a brass lined, GS bolstered knife with a couple blades and maybe ebony handles. Maybe half a days pay. Twice that for a top of the line stag or pearl knife.

When I look at today's traditional knives it kind of looks the same. Average pay is maybe $45k. You've got an average Joe making $900 a week and seeing maybe $125 of that a day. He can get out the door with a pretty nice Case or Boker for half a day's pay. He can nail down a very nice GEC with all the bells and whistles for a days wages.

All the sudden my theory that knives were more expensive back in the day doesn't hole water. Can't say for certain why the old timers I knew managed to go through so few knives. Nor why they seemed to treasure them much more than we seem to now. Maybe money just meant more to them back then?

I any event I wanted to give a hat tip to the guys who posted scans of the old knife ads. It was very enjoyable reading and I loved seeing what the guys back then had to choose from.

Will ]]> Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades DrPenguin http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070217-The-cost-of-a-new-pocket-knife-(then-and-now) Case Medium Jack: Then and Now http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070187-Case-Medium-Jack-Then-and-Now?goto=newpost Mon, 20 May 2013 18:45:52 GMT I apologize for my photography skills (or lack thereof) but I thought some of you might be interested in the subtle differences in the Case 087 Medium Jack from the XX era and one from today. Image:... I apologize for my photography skills (or lack thereof) but I thought some of you might be interested in the subtle differences in the Case 087 Medium Jack from the XX era and one from today.



This is not one of those "they don't know how to make knives anymore" threads. The modern example I have has great walk and talk, no gaps, and perfectly aligned blades. But there are differences worth noting.



Note that the blade stock on the new Case is thicker than on the XX era example.



There is a cutout for the nail mark on the XX handle.



No such cutout on the modern example.



Blade grinds then and now...



Pen blades.



Brass liners on the new Case.



Nickel silver on the old XX.



The XX is slimmer. Rounder. Not better, since that is subjective. But for me, slimmer is preferable in a jack.

I think this pattern is my favorite that Case makes/made. There are no modern CV examples save the pen version, which is only available in yellow delrin at this time. I wish Case made a modern CV example. I think it would be perfect for those who find the Peanut a bit too small.

Thanks for looking.

Andrew ]]> Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades SubSpace http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070187-Case-Medium-Jack-Then-and-Now 2013 BladeForums Traditional Forum Knife Pre-Order thread http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070145-2013-BladeForums-Traditional-Forum-Knife-Pre-Order-thread?goto=newpost Mon, 20 May 2013 16:07:00 GMT Image: http://i.imgur.com/hCZ99Eal.jpg Previous Traditional Forum Knives, courtesy of T. Erdelyi Draft Proposal Thread here: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1050120-2013-BF-Traditional-draft-proposal From there, vendors were contacted, and GEC responded with a timely...
Previous Traditional Forum Knives, courtesy of T. Erdelyi

Draft Proposal Thread here: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sh...draft-proposal

From there, vendors were contacted, and GEC responded with a timely estimate based on specifications provided below:

Quote:
Congress Jack-Blade Forums 1095 Carbon Steel
Size 3.5" - 4"
Sheepsfoot primary blade behind pen secondary blade
Long pull on primary blade
Standard nail mark on secondary blade
Nail marks to be on shield side of both blades set to not
interfere with each other
Blade Forums tang stamp - will have to have new one
made to fit
2013 stamped on tang
Half stops on both blades
Main blade as long as possible but no longer than 3"
Extended spring to close secondary blade channel
Satin finish on blades
Cut swedge on primary blade
Drawn swedge on secondary blade
Bolster and pins to be nickel silver
Square style bolster on both ends
Rattail (one medium thick groove per bolster)
Fine grained paper or linen micarta off white/ivory color
Pinned shield to be long, centered and running parallel to
long axis of knife
No etches
No Serial Numbers
They need 50% down before they will begin work. If we can get 125 pre-orders, they will be delivered within 10 weeks from deposit.


Based on their quote, price will be $129.99 per knife, shipped within the lower 48. International shipping will be more expensive. This is an increase over last year because of the number of knives that went "missing" during shipments and the pain in the ass it was.

Shipping to Alaska / Hawaii shouldn't be bad. International shipping will be calculated at the time of boxing and you will be sent a payment request for the cost. Typically last year shipments to the Netherlands, Belgium, etc were running around $11-13

Ready to pre-order?
CLICK HERE ]]> Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades Spark http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070145-2013-BladeForums-Traditional-Forum-Knife-Pre-Order-thread Carving examples http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070133-Carving-examples?goto=newpost Mon, 20 May 2013 15:15:26 GMT We occasionally see carvings and fiddlings around here in the traditional forum, just thought I'd drop this video I found this morning.

http://www.wimp.com/woodcarver/ ]]> Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades brets-ftw http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1070133-Carving-examples