When will it be available for purchase from Condor dealers ??? 42 Blades ???
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When will it be available for purchase from Condor dealers ??? 42 Blades ???
bump ! Anyone ?
I thought he responded with one of the "J" months, June or July? I think that was right. It's been said in another thread.
Last I heard was likely sometime in May. We'll see if that stays accurate as we near the date. :D
Thank you. Looking forward to a Lochnessmuk Knife-Warlock Machete & maybe a Pack Golok Knife.
Can you post a pic of the Lochnessmuk? Thanks.
Here you go! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by silenthunterstudios
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2012 Condor catalog here
Dear Condor reps,
I know you will be reading this. After all part of your secret in responding so well to customer feedback is your keen awareness of what us knife people talk about in forums, not the least of which is this one.
Congratulations on your 2012 line up. Especially congratulations on the Heavy Duty Kukri knife you're introducing for 2012. 10 inch blade, 5/16" thickness, carbon steel, flat-looking grind, all stats scream awesome. Obviously someone at Condor did his homework right, give this guy a raise! I also greatly anticipate your pack golok and village parang. Keep these all affordable and of good manufacture for 2012 and this year promises to be the greatest year for you, in terms of sales figures but more importantly in terms of brand recognition.
Since I have your attention, would you be so kind as to considering the following sources of inspiration for your 2013 lineup:
- differential tempering
- chef knives, cleaver, old-hickory style
- spetsnaz shovel
- kydex or ABS-like sheaths options (leather rots)
- don't even think of coming up with a zombie line. I know Kabar did it, and I predict that a few years from now their brand name won't be taken as seriously as it used to because of that.
Take it from Attila the Hun, if you keep up this way you're a few years away from dominating the marketplace.
I'm still anxiously waiting to hear if they pick up my Baryonyx Machete design for 2013! I hope I hope!
I'd like to see some chef/butcher inspired pieces come down the pipeline, too. Camp kitchen gear is getting more popular, after all, and hobby farming is taking off big again so items like a two-handed cleaver could be fun for both woods and actual butchering use. I know plenty of folks who raise pigs but have to have someone else do a lot of the "heavy work" with butchering because there aren't enough of the old-style butcher's blades available for the task. Just imagine a carbon steel one of these with their classic finish and wood scales.
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With regard to differential heat treatment I don't think that 1075 would benefit much from it and it would increase the cost.
I'd like to see a "Spetsnaz shovel" too, but with the damn foot steps turned IN instead of out (like on both the CS version and the original) as outward-turned footsteps must have been invented by a man who had never used a shovel in his life. Slows down digging a lot. Also a slightly flat point and a series of three holes in the blade like a rice shovel. The holes prevent suction when digging in muddy conditions but are small enough not to allow much dry dirt through when digging in more arid conditions. The slightly flattened nose makes root chopping much easier, as the blade will not deflect off the root. A long neck would make it so you could carry the shovel without the handle and use it like a spade, then mount it up in the field as a full-sized shovel!
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Id also like to see a little longer bladed Golok, say a 16" version.
Also some massive overkill chopper would be nice as no one really makes one.
That's why they need to make my Baryonyx! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by theAntihero
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Good point on 1075. Then I'll change my request to be for sandwiched steel instead. A hard-tempered 1075 core sandwiched between 2 mild 420s. Like Mora triflex, or Fallkniven's F1, or CS San Mai. That's the best compromise currently between high HRC / low brittleness and corrosion resistance. And if Mora can put out triflex blades for less than $20 while employing European workers that get paid way more than their Asian or South-American counterparts, then there obviously is a way to make it very inexpensively.Quote:
Originally Posted by FortyTwoBlades
42, your shovel design is genius! The 3 hole idea is real smart. And I concur with everything else you said about camp kitchen cutlery, this is grossly overlooked by everybody.
Thanks! I've given a lot of thought to shovels as they're a simultaneously conventional (everyone has them) and unconventional (no one thinks about them) edged tool that doesn't get enough attention--and with work on the farm here I have a lot of use for several different kinds!
The holes are one of those little details that really make a shovel an all-conditions tool. Shoveling muck is really common in the spring, and having it stick to your shovel is the pits! You have to work twice as hard to do half the work in conditions like that. Shovels really benefit from long handles if you're going to be doing any really serious work, but it makes them very difficult to carry with you--hence the long neck so you can pack just the head and use it alone for small tasks, but then chop down a sapling and mount it for extra leverage and less stooping. Gotta' save your back!
Back on the subject of the actual 2012 models, I can't wait to get my hands on an Engineer's Bolo. I like the look of the sheath better than on the Collins original. The Lochnessmuk ought to be a lot of fun, too. My lady wants a Dadao--I don't know whether to be overjoyed or worried! :eek::D
I don't mind the wait, it'll let me catch up with the older models.
As for the new line i WILL be getting the Warlock, Village Parang Machete, Engineer Bolo Machete, and Pack Golok knife.
As for wish list, Barong Machete with Boomslang full tang handle.
As long as we're putting in requests, I'd like a big honkin' SCIMITAR machete with the exaggerated peak on the spine behind the chopping sweet-spot, and a swoopy clip point down to the sharp tip.
18" blade, with a sheath too.
You know, like a Sinbad scimitar or something like you might see a medieval Morroccan executioner using. Real stereotypical blade shape.
It would be a great chopper, and have a nice tip as a cutlass/sword, and it would look real cool, with a place in your "ethnic series" line-up.
I'd buy it.
I've had this kicking around since the Bush Cutlass came out. Sounds like you're asking for a machete based off the Turkish "kilij" like so...Quote:
Originally Posted by twl
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First one uses the poly handle of the Bush Cutlass. Second one could be done in wood with brass pins and lanyard hole.
A nice historical example:
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Or do you mean more like a French "badelaire" sword?
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No, I was thinking of a blade shape more like this. Kinda persian style. Real stereotypical shape. I like it like that.
http://www.weaponsofchoicetheatrical.com/exotic4.jpg
Ok yeah so more like the French "badelaire." Closest actual sword that I've ever seen to "cartoon arabian" swords that's actually from indo-persia is the Indian tegha.
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Call me crazy, but I like the "cartoon sword" shape.
Maybe I'm nuts, but I like it. I'd like to have one in 1075, like my Condor Parang. Not quite as thick..
I'm sure it would make for quite a chopper! I'm curious now as to how that stereotypical form evolved, given the absence (as far as I've seen) of real-life examples of the style. And the closest style is actually French! :confused:
Maybe you could modify the Dadao when it comes out?
The Baryonyx is a cool idea but i was more going for something a bit thicker and more cleaver-of-death style.Quote:
Originally Posted by FortyTwoBlades
Yes I have to say of all knife makers today they have nailed it! Done their homework, someone spent a lot of time surfing forums and got it right. So many knives I want. A legit line of survival and bushcraft knives, nessies, that Hudson Bay.....hell yes I will be a new CN&T customer in 2012. Didn't get half way thru the catalog. Killer
I wonder what the street price on the Dadao will be?
I'll bring it up again, with condor becoming more popular and looking like a home run line for 2012. There should be condor sub forum. Just my opinion though:)
More like the two-handed "beef splitter" cleaver I posted earlier? 16" heavy blade with a 18" handle!Quote:
Originally Posted by theAntihero
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Or maybe something like this!
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And I'll agree again!Quote:
Originally Posted by dakine
Sooo many cool blades coming from Condor this year , they def have their finger on the pulse , they NEED to make a Baryonyx tho. The beef splitter is pretty cool too .
Great line up for 2012. Dam I need a second job.
I would buy one of those 2 handed cleavers in a minute. LOVE to have one. Steel would have to be hard enough & thick enough not to roll or dent though. I have already destroyed one cleaver. Hit bone & it rolled AND dented the blade pretty bad. 1/4" thick would be good.
Yeah I figure 1/4" thick with their "classic" finish, wood scales, and a reasonably deep grind like on their new Heavy Kukri model would do great. Or even better, put a gentle full flat grind on it. Not too much taper so it doesn't thin too much near the edge.
I love my Condor Golok. Last year, when the company came out with their 2011 lineup, I was enthralled with many of their offerings, like the Thai Enep knife, and the Boomslang. I waited a very long time, and kept checking certain retail sites for these items. Between the loooonggg wait time where the knives never came in, and the reports of poor QC, I kinda dropped Condor from my short list of new favorites. I feel they dropped the ball and let me down.
Recently, I have read more than a few reports of broken Goloks and Thai Enep machetes (not to mention the poor track record of their earlier SS machetes breaking all the time).
Before I place my trust in this very promising company again, and spend some cash on newer items, I'm going to need to hear of definite improvements in their heat treat and quality control issues. Exactly how do you poorly heat treat a simple carbon steel like 1075 so that it breaks while hacking unchallenging vegetation? Is it poor heat treat or inclusions? I'm bothered by this.
The 2012 items all look like home runs, and that Pack Golok is a bona fide grand slam.
Joe, 42, what are your thoughts?
Thanks.
Heat treatment issues only seem to crop up in early runs of an isolated number of models. I haven't heard of any Enep knives breaking, but I know that one run of the machetes had a heat treatment flaw that caused them to be on the brittle side, and they quickly corrected it. I've only seen one example of a Golok breaking and it was due to an inclusion. If you ever do have one of their pieces break on you all you have to do is send Rick Jones an email with photos of the broken item and a shipping address and he'll get a replacement sent your way. With regard to fit and finish they've taken a lot of steps to improve things, though their QC is still lower than that from other major companies. But that's why I inspect everything before it goes on the site. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by komondor
Really looking forward to when the 2012 stuff hits. :cool::thumbup:
Condor may have a little worse Fit and Finish, but that just leaves a little room for modifying it to your own tastes. I, personally, haven't had any issues with any of the Condor items I have bought. They each came with no faults that would be a deal breaker, especially considering the price point. Besides, it seems most people like to mod them to their liking anyway.
Like I said, they've really upped the QC over the past year. Most defects I end up finding are relatively minor, like small gaps next to pins on one side or the grind at the tip being a little uneven. Some of the thicker models have been suffering from shallower primary grinds and thicker secondary grinds lately, though. The actual edges have been fine, but the bevels have been thick. I'm considering making some of those models optional "Special Grade" items with thinned bevels on account of it.
Joezilla posted on the FB that Lou Ferrigno stopped by their booth to pick up some steel. The Hulk has good taste. My Hudson Bay was a steal as far as I'm concerned!
Talking with Joe Flowers, the newer models are supposed to go into production next week. The release date for "most" of the new product would be around April... assuming nothing terrible happens.
Even better! I know the Kephart will be slightly delayed due to some minor changes they want to implement, but other than that I haven't heard of other delays.
I watched that vid at 4:30 in the morning, and it got me excited seeing them in hand. (which is odd, as I was up for roughly 26 hours at that point) There were some I wasn't sure I'd get.. until I saw that vid.
Hmm, the Dadao seems a bit small in the vid.