Obama Finally Has An Actual Plan...More Government

**tvranesic** · 11-01-2012, 09:55 PM

Obama has finally revealed some detail in his highly touted "plan" to fix the economy...more government should get 'er done. He's suggested creating a new cabinet position, Secretary of Business, remedy what ails our economy. Typical Liberal answer to anything: "The government will handle it". I suppose it would actually help with employment numbers, as staffing an entire new government department would certainly create lots of jobs. Of course, we all know what more public sector jobs do for the economy.

I wonder who he'd tap for the new Secretary position...Jon Corzine. Or would Corzine require a Presidential pardon prior to accepting the post? After all, Corzine was "their man on Wall Street". Then he had to go and "misplace" that cool $1.5 billion or so in MF Global customer funds. Yep, he'd fit right in to this administration and their transparency initiatives.

**cj65** · 11-01-2012, 10:10 PM

LOL
Dept of Energy and Dept of Education should be on the chopping block when Romney takes office. Government needs to reduce so industry can grow. Romney is right and will be the President Elect in 4 days. I can't wait!

**Codger_64** · 11-01-2012, 10:12 PM

As Ryan pointed out, O'bama already has a business czar. It's called Secretary Of Commerce... head of the Commerce Department. Of course he has gone through two Secretaries of Commerce and installed a third, but who is counting?

**quietmike** · 11-01-2012, 10:20 PM

How bad is it when a member of the Obama appointed jobs council endorses Romney? When you create a council and never meet with them it would be difficult to keep their support.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/oba...1/01/id/462424

**tvranesic** · 11-01-2012, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Codger_64

As Ryan pointed out, O'bama already has a business czar. It's called Secretary Of Commerce... head of the Commerce Department.

Your making a typical mistake and getting caught up in titles while missing the point. Secretaries of Commerce, Energy, Business, et al. The point is MORE government. The economy can't be expected to fix itself...it needs the government. And look at the long history the government has at efficiently and effectively running its departments. Anything private industry can do the government can do better...with three times the manpower and at multiples of the cost.

Just look at the history: War on poverty-done! War on drugs-done! War on racism-done! War on religion...well, that one's still be waged.

**jdm61** · 11-01-2012, 11:31 PM

Just what we need to get the economy running again.......another cabinet level bonehead making a quarter of a mil per year plus benefits and a building full of minions to follow him, all on the taxpayer dime. But wait, there's more!!!! He will, of course, be needing one of those nice Gulfstream jets that they seem to have lying around everywhere out at Andrews because he will have to fly around and do bidness.

**timcsaw** · 11-02-2012, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by Codger_64

As Ryan pointed out, O'bama already has a business czar. It's called Secretary Of Commerce... head of the Commerce Department. Of course he has gone through two Secretaries of Commerce and installed a third, but who is counting?

But a lot of Obama voters need to hear the word "Business" because they don't understand what the word "Commerce" means...

**Fanglekai** · 11-02-2012, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by timcsaw

But a lot of Obama voters need to hear the word "Business" because they don't understand what the word "Commerce" means...

Source?

**timcsaw** · 11-02-2012, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by Fanglekai

Source?

Just talk to any Obama voter...

**powernoodle** · 11-02-2012, 09:03 AM

Here is a view of North and South Korea at night. Same people, same geography, same everything. Except that one country has less freedom, and the other has more. Leftists like Obama don't like freedom, unless it is crotch-centric "freedom" (homosexual behavior and abortion). So were Obama to have his way, America would look like North Korea.

**jdm61** · 11-02-2012, 12:13 PM

Step into the light.......literally!

Originally Posted by powernoodle

Here is a view of North and South Korea at night. Same people, same geography, same everything. Except that one country has less freedom, and the other has more. Leftists like Obama don't like freedom, unless it is crotch-centric "freedom" (homosexual behavior and abortion). So were Obama to have his way, America would look like North Korea.

**somber** · 11-02-2012, 03:01 PM

I'm not sure S. Korea/N. Korea are the example of countries with big government==less freedoms you want to use. Especially since, you know, N. Korea is a military dictatorship, and the other is a Democracy. If it means anything, S. Korea has nationally mandated universal healthcare, which was introduced in 1977.

**Triton** · 11-02-2012, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by somber

I'm not sure S. Korea/N. Korea are the example of countries with big government==less freedoms you want to use. Especially since, you know, N. Korea is a military dictatorship, and the other is a Democracy.

They seem apt since North Korea is a command economy and that's where the obama is taking us.

Originally Posted by somber

If it means anything, S. Korea has nationally mandated universal healthcare, which was introduced in 1977.

It doesn't.

**not2sharp** · 11-02-2012, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by quietmike

How bad is it when a member of the Obama appointed jobs council endorses Romney? When you create a council and never meet with them it would be difficult to keep their support.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/oba...1/01/id/462424

It is so bad that even Biden was running against his ticket today.
Link:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...nt_660130.html

n2s

**somber** · 11-02-2012, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Triton

It doesn't.

You sure about that?

SOUTH KOREA ACHIEVED universal health insurance in 12 years. This remarkable achievement started modestly in 1977 when the government mandated medical insurance for employees and their dependents in large firms with more than 500 employees. In 1989, national health insurance (NHI) was extended to the whole nation.

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South Korea introduced mandatory social health insurance for industrial workers in large corporations in 1977, and extended it incrementally to the self-employed until it covered the entire population in 1989. Thirty years of national health insurance in Korea can provide valuable lessons on key issues in health care financing policy which now face many low- and middle-income countries aiming to achieve universal health care coverage, such as: tax versus social health insurance; population and benefit coverage; single scheme versus multiple schemes; purchasing and provider payment method; and the role of politics and political commitment. National health insurance in Korea has been successful in mobilizing resources for health care, rapidly extending population coverage, effectively pooling public and private resources to purchase health care for the entire population, and containing health care expenditure. However, there are also challenges posed by the dominance of private providers paid by fee-for-service, the rapid aging of the population, and the public-private mix related to private health insurance.

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It looks like they have nationally mandated healthcare. What do you think, Triton, do you think they have nationally mandated healthcare?

**somber** · 11-02-2012, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by not2sharp

It is so bad that even Biden was running against his ticket today.
Link:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...nt_660130.html

n2s

His accent gets in the way, but this is a gross misrepresentation of what was said. He obviously says, "There's never been a day in the last four years I hadn't been proud to be his Vice President. Not one single day."

For the laymen here he's saying that every single day of the last four years he's been proud to be the Vice President of the President, but this is why people shouldn't use double negatives. He should have known better.

**Triton** · 11-02-2012, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by somber

You sure about that?

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It looks like they have nationally mandated healthcare. What do you think, Triton, do you think they have nationally mandated healthcare?

<Shakes head> You misunderstand. I don't doubt that they've got it... it just doesn't mean anything. No one cares that South Korea has socialized medicine, except maybe South Koreans. That doesn't make anyone any more excited about obamacare.

**somber** · 11-02-2012, 03:56 PM

So wait, do you think that they have nationally mandated healthcare or not? Because previously you said they didn't. What am I misunderstanding? Please, enlighten me on how S. Korea isn't big government.

**Thomason** · 11-02-2012, 04:00 PM

My understanding of the Business Czar idea was that since there are several government agencies, with their own Directors, that deal with business and commerce issues, Obama wants one Director to coordinate the separate agencies. Is that not right? It is the same idea of having one overall Director for the various agencies that deal with homeland security issues. I believe Bush created the Dept. of Homeland Security.

**Triton** · 11-02-2012, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by somber

So wait, do you think that they have nationally mandated healthcare or not? Because previously you said they didn't. What am I misunderstanding? Please, enlighten me on how S. Korea isn't big government.

No, I never said that, I was responding to this:

If it means anything, S. Korea has nationally mandated universal healthcare, which was introduced in 1977.

To which I replied "It doesn't." I.e. it doesn't mean anything that they have universal healthcare.