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    Waterstones - What Grits?


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    I've been looking into getting some Japanese Waterstones for sharpening my knives, but I'm uncertain as to the grits that I need. For example, if I have a 220 grit stone, do I need the 400 grit one or jump to the 1,000 grit stone? Right now the set I have in my head is 220, 1000 and 5000 grit stones.

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    I'd say you're fine with that, the size of the jump depends on how willing you are to spend more time on each stone

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    I find sharpening knives to be rather relaxing, so I'm fine with spending 15 - 20 minutes on a single stone. Sometimes more depending on the mood I'm in.

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    You probably don't need to go as low as #220 every time, unless you really need to reprofile your edge. A progression from #1000 to #5000 is great for keeping your edges sharp and similar to the setup that a lot of consumers use, such as the KING waterstones.
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    ...the fact that they were teenagers or female would not have stopped me from pulling out both my knives and turning into a spinning cyclone of death.

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    Agreed the 220 is more for reprofiling. As to the specific stones I'm looking at, it's the Naniwa Super Stones.

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    Sounds like a good idea, do it to it.
    Quote Originally Posted by paranoidsentry View Post
    ...the fact that they were teenagers or female would not have stopped me from pulling out both my knives and turning into a spinning cyclone of death.

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    The superstones are soft and will wear quickly, if you want Naniwa stones then the chosera is a much better choice.
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    If you already have a 220, I would go 1000,c2000 and 5000.

    And if you want a really nice edge, take a look at the Naniwa 8K "Snow White."

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    Quote Originally Posted by knifenut1013 View Post
    The superstones are soft and will wear quickly, if you want Naniwa stones then the chosera is a much better choice.
    The chosera in general wear much slower than waterstones correct? And by 'wear quickly', about how fast do they wear down through normal use?
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    The super stones will wear quickly, enough to be flattened with every use and the higher grits (above 1k) need constant lapping because they collect metal on the surface quickly clogging. Imo, they polish far too much and leave a edge that's nice and mirror polished but has poor cutting qualities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSMcustoms View Post
    The chosera in general wear much slower than waterstones correct? And by 'wear quickly', about how fast do they wear down through normal use?
    The Chosera is a water stone.

    If you want slow wear and very aggressive cutting, look at Shapton Glass Stones.

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    Semantics.

    You can achieve razor sharp edges off of anything, some are simply more effective or more forgiving than others. Purchase what you want and get to sharpening. ::thumbsup::
    Quote Originally Posted by paranoidsentry View Post
    ...the fact that they were teenagers or female would not have stopped me from pulling out both my knives and turning into a spinning cyclone of death.

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    Will do. I've never heard of them not producing razor sharp edges. Then again, there's a bit of a learning curve with them as far as sharpening technique goes.

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    I don't think I would call experience giving guidance semantics.

    I have used all but a hand full of the stones Naniwa produces and from that experience I can tell you the super stones are good but they have better choices for knife sharpening.
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    Does anybody use Norton water stones? Are they worth a crap?

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    I like working on my Shapton glass stones (1k and 4k) because they leave very little mess, are easy to keep flat, and work well on highly wear resistant steels like s30v. Just spritz them with a spray bottle and they're good to go.

    If you're looking to go all out I like the low grit green carbide stone that nihonzashi.com stocks. I forgot what they call it -- but it's giant and it works fast. I also like having a muddier stone in the 6k+ range forvfinal sharpening. There are lots of good options for those, but I like the fine size of the generic 1k/6k stone that you find on Amazon. It might be a King? Whatever it is the coarse side is useless and the 6k side is fantastic. The only problems are that it needs a very long soak, and it's a disgusting mess to work with...will put tons of black crud under your fingernails...will stain your pants...will soak into your countertop and won't come out.

    Chefknivestogo.com has them and lots of other high end stones. I don't think anybody else is beating them price-wise, and the user feedback there is great and helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knifenut1013 View Post
    I don't think I would call experience giving guidance semantics.

    I have used all but a hand full of the stones Naniwa produces and from that experience I can tell you the super stones are good but they have better choices for knife sharpening.
    Then don't take it personal.
    Quote Originally Posted by paranoidsentry View Post
    ...the fact that they were teenagers or female would not have stopped me from pulling out both my knives and turning into a spinning cyclone of death.

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    I have SS and chosera from 1k range to 12k range.
    Chosera's are way more expensive (and larger), which is a consideration when purchasing your first stones.

    If you are ever thinking about doing edge leading strokes at angles greater than 20 on a side,
    I would seriously consider getting the Choseras.
    SS use soft resin based binders, and you will take large chunks out inadvertently.
    If you are into straight razors, both are great and offer some unique advantages.

    Quote Originally Posted by JSMcustoms View Post
    The chosera in general wear much slower than waterstones correct? And by 'wear quickly', about how fast do they wear down through normal use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by L2bravo View Post
    Does anybody use Norton water stones? Are they worth a crap?
    I have them in 220, 1000 and 4000. They're decent to get a feel for freehand sharpening.

    With that said, i also have the following in my possesion or on order:

    Naniwa snow white, 8k
    Arashiyama, 6K
    Imanishi Latte, 400
    Naniwa Aotoshi, big green brick of joy, 2K
    King 1200


    Took a chance on these two, pretty cheap if they don't pan out. Amakusa red 800, Amakusa White 1000. Read mixed reviews on these two, they might end up being paperweights.

    On my short list:
    Naniwa Omura 150 or the Nubatama bamboo 150
    Blue Aoto 2K
    Suehiro Rika 5K.
    Arashiyama 1k

    Eventually going to take my nortons to work to use there if needed.

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    I've got three of the Super Stones incoming (220, 1000, 5000). For sure an improvement over my Sharpmaker (which I use on the benchstone setup). I'll let you know what I think of them once I get a chance to use them (first blade up is my Esee 4).

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