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It's an opinion, which are very personal..
Realize where you are..you WILL get fanatics protecting their brand here..This forum is no different than any other subforum on Bladeforums or any fan forum anywhere.
So, as posted earlier, you can ask a very specific question and get a specific answer..but it will be hard to counter an opinion as I stated before..it's personal.
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What is he basing this off of or is it based off of competitive offerings from other manufacturers?
So far, there are a number of variables at play. Materials, wages and such certainly have not come down or even remained the same since the inception of the Sebenza.
Competition in the market certainly has become crowded with offerings along the same line as CRK, so it's hard to say with any certainty what he is basing his opinions off of if you didn't do some research into what he would actually recommend as a folder.
I guess I would be happier if they'd move away from their "All fixed blades should be 55 RC no matter what super steel we make them from" philosophy, but other than that.
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I for one really like his observations, much in the same way I enjoy how people offer theirs here as well. I think the fact the guy tried a sebenza again says a few things about his character. Also, he's a big supporter of the tilock, so he's not just a guy on a rant against CRK and its prices.
To each his/her own I say. He's just another voice out there. I'll watch some of his videos and either agree or disagree, but at the end of the day, I'm glad there are different people out there taking the time to make videos about their experiences with products I don't get to see in person before buying.
I think Nick's reviews are well done. He gets to the point quickly (many do not, and no pun intended), does a good job describing the knife, and leaves you with his opinion. Often I don't agree with his opinion.
I don't put much value in one persons view.
CRK has stood the test of time. With all the changes in the knife world, CRK just keeps trucking along.
CRK doesn't make perfect knives, but they're perfect for me. It's not just the knife that makes it so appealing, it's the whole CRK experience that makes them desirable. The knife sells itself, the people behind the knife seals the deal.
CRK doesn't worry about the flavor of the month, they're consistent with the quality, workmanship, and service of their products.
I can't understand why people feel CRK is outdated, just look at the Unique Graphics, CCG's and dealer exclusives they offer. What other maker made a Halloween knife?
Over the years, styles change, whether it's clothes, cars, glasses or knives. In some markets, given enough time and it comes back full circle.
How many other production knives that are 20 years old fetch the prices that CRK's do ?
$650.00=41,218.57 rubles. (Russian currency for 11/2/2016)
This is ~1/2 of the value of the ruble compared to year 2012 ($650= 21,666.66 rubles in 2012)
You kindof get the idea here..A typical Sebenza doesn't go for $650.00, but is being compared with a $650.00 knife from Russia...See where I am going with this?
This is saying nothing of what that particular knife goes for in Russia as we are seeing local dealer prices and markups. Are they the same? I would postulate with a resounding no.
Not an apples to apples comparison.
On the topic of price vs updated design:
One thing you are paying for when you buy a sebenza, is the customer service, warranty and spa service. Many people think that a spa is only the cost of shipping. In fact, the spa service is paid for when the knife is purchased new. Not many other companies out there are willing to take in their used product and make it new again. Many of the knives that crk produces can be sent in and when they are returned, cannot be distinguished from a new one. Now, anyone who thinks they do that truly for free are just fooling themselves, but I'm more than happy to pay for it up front.
I have had the good fortune of being able to handle knives that are worth well north of $2000. Not a single one of them were any better than a crk as far as fit and finish is concerned. They may have had fancy materials, but they all had a flaw, some of them glaring. It is actually unusual for a crk to be off-center, have blade play, or lock stick.
Opinions on ergonomics or visual appeal can and will vary. However, for anyone to say that a Slyze Bowie has better manufacturing than a sebenza, as Shabazz did, is less than honest. Blind squirrels find a nut once in a while, but Spyderco isn't in the same league with CRK as far as manufacturing goes. Check the Blade Show awards as proof.
Now for some thoughts on his review:
Since when did a flipper tab become some sort of wonderful upgrade on a knife? Some people love them and that's fine, but many people, including myself, don't care for them. Also, what's so great about bearings? They're fine if you're a knife fondler or never see a speck of dust, but they don't work well for people who operate in dusty, dirty environments. Washers work well in almost any environment, from medical lab-clean to extremely dirty.
Somebody may want to inform Shabazz that micarta on the sebenza won't lighten in color with use. It becomes darker. The oil from your hands darkens it, and a good cleaning will bring it back to a lighter color.
I could go on with more examples that, IMO, prove that this guy is a fool, but I won't waste my time. The sebenza isn't for everybody but that's why we have options. This review proves, at least to me, that when you're king of the mountain, there's always somebody looking to knock you off.
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Previously, I mentioned that you cannot defend opinions as they are based on emotion..There are many here in this forum that are using the same arguments, but from this side of the fence.
Either way, competition is good..You have more choices as we all do.. With competition, you inspire creativity and value..With this, I see the real competitors come out for your money letting no one rest on their laurels.
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One thing to keep in mind with YouTube "Reviewers" is that they have opinions and they are not experts.
I have not posted this in a while but here are some comments on the worth of the Sebenza by others in the industry.
The below in italic was what I posted in 2014 and still feel it is relevant.
Well, here is some food for thought, or just some good reading material regarding tight tolerances, that CRK is renowned for, locks and high dollar knives that Sal Glesser, owner of Spyderco has mentioned through the years on the forums (ps, search is your friend).
Another thing to remember is that the Manufacturing Quality award that CRK has won so many times are not chosen by a panel, it is voted for by fellow knife makers. Even Bob Dozier, a very established maker in his own right has CRK pocket knives and I love his motto of : if it feels like climbing through a barbed wire fence, there is something wrong. Slim, sleek and simple knives.
At the same time there are many people that feel the knife is not worth it, I did until I read Sal Glesser's comments and bought one myself after 3 years of saving (the knife was later taken in a mugging) and I was UTTERLY UNDERWHELMED when I bought it, even though I handled it before hand I just felt like owning something of true quality for the first time in my life (like a good quality car/suite/watch/camera). Until I used it non stop, on the farm etc and everything just started "flowing" and making sence. I replaced the stolen knife with an Insingo. I will always have a CRK and they retail for around $625 here. They are, for me at least, worth it and my personal connection, what the Sebenza has meant in my life, makes it special for me.
I have rambled a bit, but I hope some of what I have said has helped you to form your own opinion on the matter.
Marthinus, thank you for posting this information.
Mr. Glesser provides some interesting information related to quality, reputation and value. While I certainly favor CRK knives to most others, I have a number of Spyderco products I enjoy and also like visit his forum on BF. I especially like how he interacts with members related to current products and those in R/D.
I'm not sure what else can be said in this string at this point.
Nicks review is spot on. lots of haters and fanboys will hate him for it tho. ignorance is bliss.
CRK is known for the best tolerances in the biz tho.
I personally really appreciate Mr. Shabbazz's reviews. The Sebenza doesn't need anybody to stand up for it, so I think that is a moot point. His channel is really good, and quite entertaining. I don't always agree, but the honesty is there.
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