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    Nick Shabazz Sebenza Review Round 2


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    This video is a tabletop review by Nick Shabazz of a small Sebenza 21 insingo with micarta inlays. Nick is pretty well known on Youtube for his well thought out gear reviews, and I think he has a lot of interesting things to say about knives. About a year ago he posted a video about his plain Jane small 21 insingo that he owned for only 36 hours before selling. Per the advice of viewers, he gave the Sebenza another shot. This the second time he has reviewed this knife.

    What do you make of this review? What are your thoughts? I agree with some of his points, and disagree with others. I would like to see what you all think, and get a discussion going!



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    What are specific points you would like to discuss?

    There are a lot of personal opinions on a Sebenza be it this youtuber or members of this forum and knowing what points you would like to discuss would improve the discussion you are looking for.

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    I watched his original video about the Sebenza. I was a subscriber of his for a short while.

    I enjoy watching YouTube videos. Especially in our knife culture, like Jim Skelton, ApostleP, etc... But if I watch the reviews of knives I own and the reviewer does not appear to have the same feelings towards a knife as I do (which is ok this is a free country) I do not keep watching. I will be making expensive purchases, sometimes based on a YT review. I bought two Begg knives based on Jim Skelton's reviews... but felt comfortable doing so because he reviewed and loved other knives I already owned. Nick not only dug into the Sebenza on his initial review, but dug into a few other knife brands I love so I unsubbed and moved on. Even if he comes around in his new video there are other videos on other knives that him and I just do not agree on.

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    He makes some good points. The Sebenza has its flaws and certainly isn't for everyone. I think people who are considering buying a Sebenza for the first time (unless they've got a lot of cash to spare) should hear multiple opinions on the subject before making a decision.

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    I think he sounds like Prof John Nerdelbaum Frink from the Simpson's. With that said, I don't put much weight into what some Simpson's character has to say, even if it is Mr Nerdelbaum. I would look for reviews from people who actually use the products that they are reviewing. I trust a carpenter's review of a claw hammer. I trust a soldier's review of weapons that work well even when full of sand. I guess I would trust Nick Shabazz if he wanted to tell me how to do a good hand puppet, but even then I would be weary. Just because someone has a camera and a pair of hands doesn't mean they know anything.
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    Redundant mindless chatter IMO.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pwrdbycotn View Post
    I think he sounds like that one character from the Simpson's. With that said, I don't put much weight into what some Simpson's character has to say. I would look for reviews from people who actually use the products that they are reviewing. I trust a carpenter's review of a claw hammer. I trust a soldier's review of weapons that work well even when full of sand. I guess I would trust Nick Shabazz if he wanted to tell me how to do a good hand puppet, but even then I would be weary. Just because someone has a camera and a pair of hands doesn't mean they know anything.

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    I am surprised by the reaction to his Sebenza video. I think his factual review of the "Spermy" bottle opener demonstrated that he is a voice we need to value.


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    I would've thought that the diehard fanboys of arguably the most iconic folding knife could handle a little dissent without resorting to ad hominems, but I guess not. Nick makes some good points, he has some great disassembly videos, and he doesn't take himself too seriously.

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    I don't always agree with the fellow, but his voice and accent crack me up. I could listen to him talk about random crap all day.

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    I like Nicks style, but his lack of knowledge about actually using a Sebenza or any real carry time with the knife shows. The Sebenza is a design that shows its strong suit when you use it over time, which is true of any highly refined peice of gear. Knee-jerk reviews are just that. It's only after you have it a while that you start to understand the thought that went into the thumbstud, the ergos, blade design etc.

    I agree that the knife doesn't seem worth it to an armchair quarterback, but to someone actually needing a pocket knife that they want to use for many years of their life, his critiques seem a little naive. Still an entertaining guy, but like Jim Skelton, his reviews are more for knife-fondlers than they are for actual users.

    Taking pot-shots at the Sebenza is certainly good for channel ratings, but if you want to do your job as a reviewer of such an iconic blade, you should actually use it for a while IMHO. Just my two bits.

    BTW: This is what your Insingo looks like when you are speaking from experience:

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    He makes some good points but I just can't get over his voice. Whinny, nasally voice.

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    Bam! That was right on Cody. Good point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidcongo View Post
    I like Nicks style, but his lack of knowledge about actually using a Sebenza or any real carry time with the knife shows. The Sebenza is a design that shows its strong suit when you use it over time, which is true of any highly refined peice of gear. Knee-jerk reviews are just that. It's only after you have it a while that you start to understand the thought that went into the thumbstud, the ergos, blade design etc.

    I agree that the knife doesn't seem worth it to an armchair quarterback, but to someone actually needing a pocket knife that they want to use for many years of their life, his critiques seem a little naive. Still an entertaining guy, but like Jim Skelton, his reviews are more for knife-fondlers than they are for actual users.

    Taking pot-shots at the Sebenza is certainly good for channel ratings, but if you want to do your job as a reviewer of such an iconic blade, you should actually use it for a while IMHO. Just my two bits.

    BTW: This is what your Insingo looks like when you are speaking from experience:

    ^This.
    Somebody who has had in their possession, but never actually used, whatever it is they are reviewing, doesn't really have a valid opinion. Mr. Jazz Hands and his opinions just don't carry any weight, at least not with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidcongo View Post
    I like Nicks style, but his lack of knowledge about actually using a Sebenza or any real carry time with the knife shows. The Sebenza is a design that shows its strong suit when you use it over time, which is true of any highly refined peice of gear. Knee-jerk reviews are just that. It's only after you have it a while that you start to understand the thought that went into the thumbstud, the ergos, blade design etc.

    I agree that the knife doesn't seem worth it to an armchair quarterback, but to someone actually needing a pocket knife that they want to use for many years of their life, his critiques seem a little naive. Still an entertaining guy, but like Jim Skelton, his reviews are more for knife-fondlers than they are for actual users.

    Taking pot-shots at the Sebenza is certainly good for channel ratings, but if you want to do your job as a reviewer of such an iconic blade, you should actually use it for a while IMHO. Just my two bits.

    BTW: This is what your Insingo looks like when you are speaking from experience:

    Your post seems derisive and maybe a bit arrogant. There's no mysticism about owning and using a Sebenza. If the ergos don't work for you--and the Sebenza has poor ergos for me as well--they just don't work.

    I agree with just about all of Nick's review. I use all of my knives, even my $1,000+ customs. I owned both a large and small sebenza, and used them both. They had hotspots in use for me, and that's not going to change just because I use the knife more. My hands might callous over in the right spots, but why bother doing that when I can just use knives that actually fit my hand and feel good in use?

    The Sebenza was a great design in 1987, a groundbreaking design, and it is still an absolute classic. Like any knife, probably moreso than most, it is worth owning for a lot of folks. But it is not a perfect knife, it's not for everyone, and in a lot of ways the world of knife design has improved upon the Sebenza. Chris Reeve himself has acknowledged that by producing the Mnandi, Sebenza 25, and Inkosi. Doesn't mean the Sebenza isn't a great knife, but it's not the Platonic ideal and it seems some fanboys can't accept that without getting incensed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbp View Post
    Your post seems derisive and maybe a bit arrogant. There's no mysticism about owning and using a Sebenza. If the ergos don't work for you--and the Sebenza has poor ergos for me as well--they just don't work.

    I agree with just about all of Nick's review. I use all of my knives, even my $1,000+ customs. I owned both a large and small sebenza, and used them both. They had hotspots in use for me, and that's not going to change just because I use the knife more. My hands might callous over in the right spots, but why bother doing that when I can just use knives that actually fit my hand and feel good in use?

    The Sebenza was a great design in 1987, a groundbreaking design, and it is still an absolute classic. Like any knife, probably moreso than most, it is worth owning for a lot of folks. But it is not a perfect knife, it's not for everyone, and in a lot of ways the world of knife design has improved upon the Sebenza. Chris Reeve himself has acknowledged that by producing the Mnandi, Sebenza 25, and Inkosi. Doesn't mean the Sebenza isn't a great knife, but it's not the Platonic ideal and it seems some fanboys can't accept that without getting incensed.
    Wow.....a review of my review of a review of a review. That's gotta be a record!

    Anyways.....you got me all wrong. I'm not any of those things, so don't bite. I'm just an average fella who happens to have a keen eye for the truth. Reviewing knives you haven't used is still bunk in my books, and rightfully so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidcongo View Post
    Wow.....a review of my review of a review of a review. That's gotta be a record!

    Anyways.....you got me all wrong. I'm not any of those things, so don't bite. I'm just an average fella who happens to have a keen eye for the truth. Reviewing knives you haven't used is still bunk in my books, and rightfully so.



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    I found the review rather fair and well thought out. I wonder if there is a correlation between when you got into knives and how much you like the Sebenza? When I developed an interest in knives it was the high end knife to get. I don't know if that's still true anymore with the number of high end production knives and midtechs out there. I think it's a great knife but not the best in terms of features so maybe I just like the review because it's not far off of my own assessment after owning a few myself. I am curious about how long you need to own a knife and how much you have to use it before doing a review? I often have a fairly good idea of what I think about a knife in the first few weeks. Are others the same? Lastly the voice is a little grating but I have seen a few of his videos and the content is good enough for me to bear with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidcongo View Post
    Wow.....a review of my review of a review of a review. That's gotta be a record!.
    Even though I agree with the post this is responding to this quote made me laugh
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidcongo View Post
    Wow.....a review of my review of a review of a review. That's gotta be a record!

    Anyways.....you got me all wrong. I'm not any of those things, so don't bite. I'm just an average fella who happens to have a keen eye for the truth. Reviewing knives you haven't used is still bunk in my books, and rightfully so.
    Oh, I certainly don't think you are, and I apologize for any lack of clarity there. The post seemed a bit derisive to me, but I'm only evaluating the statement, not the person. You certainly seem like the gentlemanly sort so no hard feelings in that respect.

    It might be bunk to you but that's an opinion only. Using a knife to you might only be defined as taking it out to the woods and using it hard, but maybe to someone like Nick Shabazz, it's just light food prep and household work.

    My point is that if a knife doesn't feel good in the hand, it's not going to feel better when used, whether used lightly or used hard. That's been my experience at least. The Sebenza just isn't a comfortable knife to me compared to others in my collection, so I agree with the review on that point.

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