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    Groundrules for this forum

    Ok guys, head's up. That's the first time I've ever had to edit for content (I feel like such a cheesey TV movie). Anyhow....let's discuss some ground rules that apparently have been forgotten, ignored or haven't been seen by some of you newer guys (welcome all you newer guys- we can tell who you are by the shiny appearance).

    1. We don't discuss imported autos re: where to obtain, how to subvert customs, how to obtain, etc. If it's about foreign autos, keep it away from buying/selling ideas. If you have direct questions, call your local legislator or a US Customs office. They'll be MORE THAN HAPPY to assist you.

    2. Don't use the mails for autos- whether you're a qualified purchaser or not. If you don't KNOW if you're qualified or not, odds are decidedly NOT in your favor. If you must buy/sell/trade autos, use a private carrier, but we don't want to hear about it. Get it?

    3. If your favorite dealer sells autos to anyone without ID or forms, don't post it here, save it for a phone call, a knife/gun show or if you have the unquenchable desire to put it in writing- private email. Don't publish it.

    4. You don't want a cheap auto. Really. Don't buy one of the $10 specials. They are imported junk, and will eventually cause harm to your little hobby. Get it?

    5. If you're a qualified purchaser, bully for you. If you're not, please be a little more sanguine about what you say, and to whom, and WHERE. Also, please be aware as to WHERE you carry your little toys, legal or not. I know most of us live in Florida and only carry Microtech knives, legally and above board (I know the rest of you that live in Oregon and only carry Benchmades), but let's pretend. Get it?

    6. Shipping an auto without a spring doesn't change the nature of the knife. It doesn't matter what you've heard that so-and-so does. Really.

    7. Size DOESN'T matter (you can tell her that) when it pertains to shipping autos across state lines if you're not qualified. Breaking them apart (as in a kit) also doesn't matter. Speaking of kits, they are (nearly?) all made in China or overseas. Customs has declared that they are not cute little doohickey keychains, but are, in actuality, switchblades. As such, you guessed, right? Not smart to import them. Get it?

    9. Oh yeah, age DOES matter. In all reporting jurisdictions, 18 is the minimum age for purchasing an auto. Hey- you can sign up for the army and be 100% legal If you're not of legal age in your jurisdiction, don't ask someone here how you can best obtain an auto. If you're OF legal age, but in an auto-unfriendly jurisdiction, don't ask someone here how you can best obtain an auto. Research goes a long way- search the logs here, on KnifeForums, on MicroHolics (dare I say, and even on the newsgroup); check your state and local laws, visit a local knife show or a local knife dealer, attend a gun show. Drop by the local PD or prosecutor's office and ask about local laws.

    10. When in doubt about an issue, think carefully, then post or reply. Take a deep breath if you're excited by an issue before you post. Normal BF rules apply- no personal insults etc. Except Mike's spelling. That's fair game.

    This forum is here for information on a fun hobby, not to make criminals out of anyone. Think before acting, as in everything in life. Always check your six. Get it?

    Thanks for reading this, I think it may make it's way to the top now and again for a refresher. Did anyone learn anything? Disagree with anything? Spot spelling errors?

    Rule mode: Off.

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    [This message has been edited by Tim Flanagan (edited 02-03-2000).]

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    Good guidelines. Always keep in mind that if we can read this stuff OTHERS can also read this stuff! Hate to see anything happen cause of a little indescretion or eagerness on someones behalf.
    Bob

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    Its those darn "OTHERS" that are the problem yuck yuck...

    I it weren't for them we could speak freely, not only here but anywhere else. But they "OTHERS" no best ...... whats best for us ....

    Is there any freedom East of the Mississppi or West for that matter...

    Tim, spelling looks O.K. ,, hope I spelled Miss... right

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    Was it something I said?

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    Thanks Tim, I appreciate the response(s). Listen to this guy people, he knows of which he speaks.

    For the record, I am a Network Admin at a Mortgage Company, a father of 2, and a church going fellow. If anyone would be worried about me they'd be wasting their time.

    Take care all!

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    The rules are not meant to hide the truth or any hidden agenda I have.

    We just want to limit our liability on discussing such subjects.

    And wat is rong with mi spelling

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    I agree with the rules for the most part. But also understand that the reason people read and post to auto knife forum is because they like automatic knifes. Some people like American knifes, German, or Italian knifes. It's a mater of choice and free speech in America. I hope that blade forum is not going to turn into a censors watchdog type forum. It would be sad if auto knife fans like my self have to go to an Italian knife manufacture forum (www.skm.to) to talk about knifes that we love in America.
    STOP THE PARANOIA,
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    Tim:

    I'd like to thank you for spelling out "the rules" so clearly and candidly; I will respect them because I enjoy the forum as much as the next guy and don't want to be kicked out or avoided . It will save me some embarrassing moments in the future.

    ladies and Gentlemen, we all agree that automatic knives are not a major cause of crime in this country and I also believe that law enforcement knows this as well, but we must be discreet so that those who sell to us and trade with us are not placed in any jeopardy regarding the law. I wrote this message so Tim's message is reinforced. You may not agree with us, and that "is" your right as an American Citizen. This is our forum, but its bladeforums' property and its bladeforums' neck that is on the line!

    Thank-you for letting me voice my concern as an American!

    PatC

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    Common sense shall prevail.
    Thank you Tim

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    Repeated here for Lee:
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    Lee,
    I'll address this one as well as the repeat in the other thread. I completely understand why people post here, and why most of you guys like autos- you're all gadget freaks.
    Keep in mind that the First Amendment applies to public free speech- this ain't that kind of spot. It's privately owned, as is the SKM site. For what it's worth.

    Note how it's taken over a year and change to have to edit one/two posts in the same thread- asking for ways to subvert the law. This could possibly put BF's collective arse in a sling. SKM is slightly different as they aren't under US jurisdiction. We won't turn this into a censor's paradise as long as common sense is followed. Chet put it nicely- a modicum or reasonableness (is that really a word Chet? ) is really all it takes to maintain the status quo. I'll put it a bit more succinctly- discussion of illegal activities WILL cause problems for someone in this forum at some time. We have folks from all avenues of law enforcement reading these forums. Who wants to be the test case?

    Also, a lot of the new guys apparently don't know the extent of the laws and some of the ideas behind this forum and it was a good reminder to those who have been around longer.

    See if you can identify the quote:
    1. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't following you.
    2. Being paranoid doesn't mean you're wrong.
    3. Sooner or later the paranoid person is right.
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    Thanks for understanding guys. Let's keep it fun. I'll be replaying this every now and then as a gentle reminder/update for newbies.

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    [This message has been edited by Tim Flanagan (edited 02-03-2000).]

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    1. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't following you.= Emo Phillips
    2. Being paranoid doesn't mean you're wrong. = Timm Flanagan
    3. Sooner or later the paranoid person is right.= Hitler
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    [This message has been edited by L6STEEL (edited 02-03-2000).]

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    Cute Mike- taking the answers from that chat.

    I just got an email from a forumite who asked a question/made a suggestion that I think maybe needs some more fleshing out.

    He asked if this forum should be more self-policing and have the members steer things away from topics that might impede future fun with autos. YES! Mike and I can't catch everything but if you guys can keep an eye on things, we won't have to. It'd make life easier to steer a topic away from certain directions. If there's questions or things that need direct intervention, bring it to Mike's or my attention via an email. Otherwise, you guys can be level-headed enough to follow some common sense rules and help out "misguided" posts. The less moderation necessary the better- I don't enjoy editing other's work. Thanks for the tip SC.

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    [This message has been edited by Tim Flanagan (edited 02-04-2000).]

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    Actually Brandon, partly, yes. See rule #1 for the main thrust of my reasoning.

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    If only the general news media were as responsible in what the say/do. I like these forums and think that a lot of folks on them are the best sort, especially the owner/moderators. If you want to see some REAL bad forums out there you don't have to look far. I like posting and hearing thoughtful meaningful exchanges.

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    Mike,

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    It's a good idea to post the forum rules from time to time, as newbies are probably posting on a daily basis. But I do think you have to be careful to not moderate too heavily (not that you have), or the forums lose some of their appeal. (just my humble opinion)

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    BTTT since apparently some folks need a refresher. Guess this can become a monthly thing if it's needs to be.

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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tim Flanagan:
    >>SKM is slightly different as they aren't >>under US jurisdiction.

    They are under US jurisdiction. I just filed a law suit against a large internet service in the small claims court. The court took the case and served the papers. If it shows up on your computer screen, then they are doing business or providing a service in your state and are subject to the laws of your state if your state has a long arm provision as Ohio does Of course the courts in their area may not agree if you win the suit and ask them to collect damages as has been the case in Canada.


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    Well, we're talking about Federal criminal law not civil litigation. It's been a long time since I got out of law school, but as I recall, a company must have caused to be directed or should have known that the subject matter would be disseminated in a certain locale (the recipient who's suing for instance). This would open up any business with any web presence or mailing list or phone lines to potential litigation worldwide. Seems a bit ludicrous if you ask me.

    Now with switchblade law, we're talking federal criminal law and not civil torts, where a longarm statute (I wish you luck) may be applicable.

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    Also with Longarm (Tort) law you must prove that a sufficient amount of business was conducted in the area in which the actual transaction took place. In this case where is the transaction taking place? If you sell to the US or an individual in the US then you are doing business with the US regardless of what State.

    In the case of SKM they are conducting business in the US and are subject to US federal laws and not necessarily state laws. Proving a state longarm law will be very hard as SKM would have to release sales figures for that particular state. Then it would be up to the state to go after SKM and the country, in this case Italy, would simply block those attempts. Now if it became a federal case it would be a much different picture.

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