Boycott China & Olympics

[Robert H]

Rah rah sis boom bah.

Yeah the US has never "cheated" or used deception in a war.
Cold or not.
Nor limited reporter access.

Unless you believe everything the government tells you...

please feel free to list the offenses. I'm sure you keep them on the tip of your tongue to trot out whenever possible.

The point is, they don't bend to world PC pressure nearly as much as we do. Do you hear Chinese politicians lamenting that the "world community" doesn't like them?

Do you think they care about the human rights abuses they are accused of?

They don't

It's pure business, at any cost. Far more than we could get away with.

But don't let me stop you from hating America. I'm sure that's a full time hobby for you.

[Robert H]

Robert H, I've had my eye on China since before it was en vogue. I was bringing up China back when everyone was deep into discussing Israel and that mess.

Last time I checked, we used our military as well.

I've never denied it.

Unless you have a Nielson ratings box; turning off the idiot box doesn't help world situation. Which is what this thread started out about. I have personally witnessed Chinese misrepresentation to get individuals into our University math and science fields that shouldn't have been there. Why they are not kicked out was beyond me.

Because they are ruthless bastards. As I said, they make sure they win. They just popped some Chinese guy with very fancy IR cameras getting on a flight. Do you think that's the first time? They are using our freedom to beat us. It's how they work. The Clinton's have been customers for a long time. This is old hat to them.

So Chinese businesses are here. Oh no. I remember the extreme hysteria regarding Japanese business over here before the Asian Flu kicked them down a few notches. It was Ironic since the English owned far more of America than the Japanese, but no one seemed to worry about that.

Are the English and Japanese businesses straight up military fronts? The Chinese shell companies that go right back to NORINCO have been documented. No one cares though. So none of this is new.

It is difficult for most people to fathom; but the next war will be over the moon and control of Earth's stable orbit field; not a ground pounding war.

That one is already here. I would not put it above China to start a fairly local ground war to bleed off some of those excess men they have lying around, and gain some more territory.

[Trent Rock]

I'm watching it
Hopefully they will show the SHOOTING events at a reasonable time!!

[ADD]

War is about deception and cheating.

The winners generally are better at it.

Wow, the "hate America" card.

Novel.

Utterly tasteless rhetoric, as usual.

[enderwiggin]

enderwiggen, on that basis, we could be boycotting half the nations of the earth.

DocArnie asked what has become better or worse for Tibet since the Chinese moved in. It's a complicated question, but for me, it comes down to: it's become a lot less like Tibet, a lot more like a big annex to China. The Tibetan people and culture are being assimilated.

In other countries, the suppressed peoples are being butchered. Sudan, for example. All the old animosities, all the new weapons systems.

On the other hand, in China proper, more people now have access to food. Also, an increasingly stable and prosperous future. The political control is merciless, because they've seen what happens in an interregnum.

Talking about it is good, making positive choices about where you shop and what you buy is better, staying in constant contact with your own elected repressentatives, especially in Washington DC, is also better. Write real letters to them, sent in stamped envelopes, to get their attention.

The Olympics has much more to do with participants from around the world than with whichever host country gets to put its flag on everyone's TV screen.

Yes, but the Olympics is not being held in half the other nations on earth. It's being held in China, where the government has been "making an example of" citizens who "embarrass" their country by speaking out over any medium, even over the internet, about the fake, world-friendly image China's government is trying to create, which will be bolstered by this Olympics.

[Steve Hayden]

So how about watch the games and then boycott all products advertised on the broadcasts?

[UffDa]

This sounds a lot like Jimmy Carter boycotting the Olympics in the USSR when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. That was really effective.

As to not buying goods made in China…..lots of luck. Do you wear cloths and shoes? Do you drive a car or listen to the radio or watch TV? Are you using a computer? You couldn’t shop at Sears, K-Mart, Target or any other major store. Many if not most of the famous “American” brands are now made in China. That's a fact. Get used to it.

Do you eat at a restaurant? Take a look at the flatware and dishes. Where were those made. Don't turn on your lights at night. They were probably made in China.

Go ahead and boycott the Olympics if it makes you feel good. Don't buy Chinese products, but don't expect anyone to care.

[GovtMule]

When they start making 1911-A1 parts in China that's when I'm gonna have to start towin' the line

[UffDa]

When they start making 1911-A1 parts in China that's when I'm gonna have to start towin' the line

What makes you think that they are not? Have you ever heard of NORINCO? They made 1911s and probably still do. They can’t be imported into the US, but what about the rest of the world? There are 1911s being made in the Philippines and other countries. What are the chances that they contain Chinese made parts?

Here’s something interesting that is saw recently. The shop that I work at received some nicely made AR-15 forends. They are aluminum with Picatinny rails all around. There are no markings anywhere on the forend or the package that tells us where they were made, but on the original box that they came in was a tiny gold label that had MADE IN CHINA on it.

[GovtMule]

What makes you think that they are not? Have you ever heard of NORINCO? They made 1911s and probably still do. They can’t be imported into the US, but what about the rest of the world? There are 1911s being made in the Philippines and other countries. What are the chances that they contain Chinese made parts?

Here’s something interesting that is saw recently. The shop that I work at received some nicely made AR-15 forends. They are aluminum with Picatinny rails all around. There are no markings anywhere on the forend or the package that tells us where they were made, but on the original box that they came in was a tiny gold label that had MADE IN CHINA on it.

Sure, I realize that. My previous post was kind of "tongue in cheek," so to speak.

[bobofish]

Zen and Steve pegged it; unless you own a Nielsen box, watching will make no difference. Also, you will need to boycott all the advertisers as well as NBC in general. This will only be a boycott of US business however, because China doesn't care, they've already been paid for the simulcast of the Olympics.

You can accomplish a good deal more by boycotting Chinese products when at all it is possible, and demanding that your government practice surplus spending, rather than selling its deficit spending to China and other unfriendly nations.

Also, Canada is the biggest investor in the US, not England, Japan, or any other country. People forget our neighbors to the north sometimes.

Telling someone "Your shoes are made in China, your lightbulbs are made in China, YOU SUCK and I'm not listening" is intellectually sloppy and unbearably childish. You can use your favorite internet search engine for "made in USA" or simply go to this site:
http://www.stillmadeinusa.com/
or any of a dozen others to find products that are not made in China, or for that matter any other country. A little fiscal and consumer discipline is all that is needed for the vast majority of your purchases. Do not flame me that computer products are made in China; this is established fact and nothing new, and a grownup picks their battles. Two days ago I won a tiny battle of my own when I needed safety glasses and spent 5 minutes with my old friend Google and found some made in the US. I drove to Home Depot and bought them, and a half hour after the purchase was only a glint in my eye, I had cheap well made glasses not made in China.

[bobofish]

Are the English and Japanese businesses straight up military fronts? The Chinese shell companies that go right back to NORINCO have been documented. No one cares though. So none of this is new.

I can't figure out if you are pro outsourcing to our enemy, or against trading with Chicomm PLA fronts. Can I have some of the cake that you are eating?

Also, hating America and/or fascism is old hat I'm afraid. A new insult is in order; this website may help: http://www.insult-o-matic.com/

[Ken Cox]

First of all, let's talk about the issues and not about each other.
Whether a fellow forumite loves or loathes America has little bearing on the truths of the issues.

Secondly, it serves America's and the world's interests for China to prosper.

A prosperous China has an interdependent relationship with the rest of the world, both as suppliers of China's needs and consumers of China's products.

Presently, America consumes 25% of China's production, and this makes the Chinese dependent on America.

In my humble opinion, both Nixon and the Clintons fully understood the importance of bringing China into the modern world.

A hungry China corresponds to a gaunt tiger on the prowl; whereas, a well-fed China corresponds to a fat cat listening for the can opener.

China can no longer meet its own labor requirements due to a lack of properly educated and enculturated laborers.
For that reason, China's standard of living has risen dramatically as demand has raised wages, and, China now outsources for components and raw materials.
Further, China becomes increasingly thirsty for oil, which makes China more dependent on the US dollar; and which further motivates China not to compete with or destroy America, but to relate to America in the most profitable manner.

China now imports more Mercedes Benz's than any other nation on earth.
China has more cell phones than any other nation on earth.
I think (not sure) China imports more Rolexes than any other nation on earth.
I think (not sure) China has more billionaires than any other nation on earth.

Good: as China's prosperity increases, the danger of war decreases.

Eventually, China's standard of living will become so high, some other emerging nation will have the labor advantage and will begin supplying Walmart.

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..the next war will be over the moon and control of Earth's stable orbit field; not a ground pounding war.

Absolutely.

The nation that prevails in Space will prevail on Earth.

No doubt about it.

I assume the American, British and Dutch oil comapanies have a plan for transitioning from oil to Space, and a time line.

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In my humble opinion, China occupied Tibet for strategic reasons having little to do with Tibet, itself; and in somewhat the same manner as America and Britain occupied Irag and Afghanistan in order to put pressure on Iran and Russia, not to mention Saudi Arabia, Syria and Pakistan.

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In the meantime, it seem counter productive and politically immature (a la Jimmy Carter) to boycott the Chinese Olympics.

Rather, we, the Western World, should help China have a successful Olympic experience; and we should consider Tibet an entirely different (and futile) issue.

[mr.trooper]

The economies of the USA and China are now completely entangled. boycotting China would only hurt our own economy even more.

Don't get me wrong. I DO NOT like China, and I would like to see a Free Tibet. I WISH a boycott were feasible, but its just not.

[BlazenGem]

Dont know much about politics and etc, so dont mind me.

But have you wondered that the news might have been misinterpreted?

you are all receiving outside information by unreliable sources, have you actually been to Tibet and seen what is happening yourself? Could this Dala Rama whatever just be a piece of crap?
it could just be a low attempt to bring China down. In a German newsreport, they couldnt tell the difference between an ambulance and a dangerous war machine.

and Mr.H, yes, America is always doing what is right, never cheating, never lying, playing fair and square all the time. My ass, go look at Iraq

[Robert H]

I can't figure out if you are pro outsourcing to our enemy, or against trading with Chicomm PLA fronts. Can I have some of the cake that you are eating?

Also, hating America and/or fascism is old hat I'm afraid. A new insult is in order; this website may help: http://www.insult-o-matic.com/

Pro outsourcing? It depends. The main point is veiled outrage against Chinese policies based on the Olympic games strikes me as shallow. It hurts the athletes only. China hasn't changed it's stance for decades towards Tibet.

Indeed, Tibet is human rights campaign that leftists love. It makes a very convenient bumper sticker, shows you care so much. But what will you do? Go to war with China?

Of course not, as liberals have proven since the NYT ignored the "Jewish Problem", the left ignores genocide, until we step in to stop it, and if we take any casualties from the soldiers that are painted as victims, it becomes a failure. Yet the tens of thousands of Afghani women who can finally feel sun on their face are ignored, since it's politically expedient to do so.

A military campaign to free Tibet would make Iraq look like a weekend excursion.

So we'll do nothing about it. The Chinese will ignore the protests. They have never bowed to political pressure, and they've maneuvered themselves into an economic upper hand. The games will take place.

Tibet was occupied in THE NINETEEN FIFTIES. Nothing will change. Within another few decades, it will be assimilated into China completely.

But the Free Tibet! sticker on your Prius will show you really care.

If there were any reality to it the sticker would state Free Tibet: Nuke China.

But that will never happen, short of a first strike on us.

[Robert H]

and Mr.H, yes, America is always doing what is right, never cheating, never lying, playing fair and square all the time. My ass, go look at Iraq

I've never stated American is always right. However, such damning criticism form the Most Ignored Country in the Western Hemisphere, that has come very close to adapting Sharia law recently, rings quite hollow.

[Ken Cox]

...go look at Iraq

Why?

To see REALPOLITIK in action?

We live in the real world.

As a general statement, each of the world's national governments engages in REALPOLITIK.
An exception must exist, but I can't think of it.

With all respect, I think BlazenGem would do better to criticize nationalism and national governments, rather than a specific nation.

[Ken Cox]

Please, let's not compare the virtues and vices of our respective nations.

We'll all come away looking foolish.

In favor of Canada, though, when I formerly worked internationally, most employers preferred Canadian workers for their ability to get along with others in trying circumstances.

[bobofish]

If there were any reality to it the sticker would state Free Tibet: Nuke China.

So then the right thing to do to support Tibet is to commit mass murder on another nation? How noble!

Just because we cannot go to war with China does not mean we should not pressure them, with however much futility. Since we are unable to go to war with China (as if that's the only option) we should excuse, and even encourage 50 years of bloodshed and political oppression?

Since we cannot go to war with North Korea, shall we now excuse them politely and welcome them into the fold of wonderful and decent nations?

Obstacles to moral paths to not change the nature and purpose of morality.