nice micheal, heres a couple-
I'm still updating my research on the Schrade Walden and Schrade 165OT, 165UH and SFO patterns and would appreciate it if you guys would post a few pictures and some details like serial numbers, tang stamp locations and sheath types. Any magazine or catalog ads I haven't yet seen would be good too! Every one I record helps define when the changes were made.
Just to "prime the pump", so to speak, here is a picture of one you haven't seen in a while, the elusive blue Delrin 165OTSM sample...
nice micheal, heres a couple-
one i was glad to get--any idea on production dates for this one?
The blue handled sample I showed above was rejected in favor of the orange handles.
Here is one we don't see a lot of, the Schrade-Walden SHIKARI 165OT made for Norm Thompson with a special sheath.
This ad is from the November of 1966 issue of Outdoor Life.
And this picture shows the Shikari sheath with stone, predating the 165UH stone pocket sheaths. I only have two of these, #02200 and #00953. Only one of them has a perfect original sheath with the luggage type fastener on the stone pocket. The blades were from the earliest production run of the standard Old Timer 165's as their standard tang stamps and serials show. I believe Eric has one as well, #02267.
what does the sheild say on that orange handle of yours? that luggage snap on the shikari sheath is neat, dont have one of those........yet. hers my 165uh
Light was failing when I took these.
Both 165 COPEs
I have two of the Shikaris, one with the sheath. The two serial numbers are 01378 and 00365. I have two of the orange ones, one of which has a Ducks Unlimited shield. I have early and late examples of all the regular OT and UH varieties, with both carbon and stainless blades, saber and hollow and semi-hollow ground. Two kinds of Copenhagen and two kinds of Ducks Unlimited. I have a UH with no shield at all. I have a burnt Indian stag job with mosaic pins by Dale Vincent. But I don't have that blue one!!!
Thanks! Of the two Shikaris I have, likewise only one has the original sheath. What is the serial of your first production 165UH? The serial of your earliest 165OT? These numbers are helping me to better determine when these variants were produced. It is looking as though the Old Timers and Shikaris were produced from the same serialized blade production runs, and also the first run of Uncle Henrys. And not everyone can have a racing blue 165SM. I don't. I went to an auction and all I got was some pictures. It went for over three bills and I only bid half that. By the "third highest bidder" rule, I set the value.
I have three Uncle Henrys with the Walden stamp. The first two are stamped on the "left" side: Numbers 00201, and 02997. The third Uncle Henry is stamped on the "right" side, number 14608. It has a blank nickel colored shield like one sees on the Craftsman versions, but the Staglon handle. My oldest Old Timer is the Shikari mentioned earlier. Other than that it would be number 18540, stamped blade "left."
Thanks TR. Your UH numbers shoot my serial number speculation in the head, however. There is no way, to my knowledge, that the 165UH variants with that low of a number could have been produced at the same time as the lowest numbered 165OT and Shikari back in 1966. And it reopens the question of just how your other 165UH, #14608 and my 165UH, serial #13134, could have been produced sequentially since records show less than 5,000 produced total, the first of those shipped in 1969.
Am I dismayed by this turn of events? Nope. I, like most of you, want the straight story on the 165UH production just like you do, even if it means totally rethinking my research. Thank you!
Here is the story on the blue 165SM sample posted 11-02-2007:
I know the seller, as you do, and wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them. I remember the listing and cannot believe it was nearly 2 1/2 years ago already! The story sold the knife. I wanted it as badly as you did, but not $3c+ badly.
As my wise daddy always told me. "It's worth whatever you can get for it." But I don't figure he factored in fabricated history, I mean um, embellished stories, I mean um..., tall tales. Aw never mind!
Michael wrote: "And it reopens the question of just how your other 165UH, #14608 and my 165UH, serial #13134, could have been produced sequentially since records show less than 5,000 produced total, the first of those shipped in 1969."
Well, what if they serialized all the 165's together on an assembly line, UHs and OTs alike? Or some similar time-saving protocol, which would result in a real head-scratcher a half century later?
Yeah but... that is kicked in the head by your having 165UH #00201. For that to fit into the 165OT/Shikari sequence, it would have had to have been produced in 1966. 1969 was the first shipment of the 165UH pattern knives.
It does suggest that they started serializing them independently in '69 and then switched them to the OT sequence?
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