Wrong forum bud.... there is a hunting and fishing subforum now.
The Hammond Game Getter is an interesting device for your deer rifle. Another take on "one gun" to add flexibility to your wilderness system. It allows you to shoot a swaged buckshot pellet at about 900 ft/sec using 22 blanks which are used in the construction business. It's for sure accurate enough for small game. 5-10 cents per shot. 2 groups from different cartridges at 25 yards. I was also very tired when I shot those groups, so what I'm saying is this device seems very accurate in my limited tests so far. The rifles I had access to had iron sights.
Case is wide enough to allow for offset.
Cases that aren't wide enough use a two piece adapter like macace's 2 piece adapters.
Off set firing pin plug.
Overall pleased with this device.
Swaging the buckshot is quick and easy, once the swage is lubed all you do is punch the buckshot pellet through with a hardwood dowel or punch. Insert the swaged pellet into the neck of the case, put a powerjet in the back, and you are ready for small game popping. Now I have to order a 5 pound box of buckshot for about 21 bucks- 650 shots. The shots were at 25 yards. I just aimed for the bullseye-POA, and my POI was lower, which makes sense. I didn't adjust the sights.
Some advantages that I can think of
1. Report is like a regular speed 22-actually a bit less.
2. Powerjets are not exactly hard to get from a hardware store- no restriction, no paper work. In and out. Self scan.
3. Buckshot is pretty cheap. 21-25 dollars for a 5 pound box. In 00 and 0 that's about 650 pellets. EDIT: you can buy 25 pound bag of 00 remington buckshot for about 58 dollars off of precision reloading- that's like 3300 projectiles in double ought.
4. You could cast your own buckshot.
5. Good measure if any "dumb" gun control happened. Most likely a window/loophole for a while. Not sure if powerjets are restricted in Britain? anybody know? EDIT: and no it seems ramsets are not restricted in Britain to my current knowledge.
6. Can be made in cartridges that don't share a "family" of pistol cartridges that could be shot using adapters.
7. Quite easy/faster to prepare compared to handloading ammo. No having to locate primers, and powder.
1. Initial start up cost?
2. Only one adapter compared to reloading squib loads and having as many as you can reload. For shooting small game I'm not sure that's an issue.
3. The report is about as load as a 22. handloaded Squibs can be much quieter. Well unless you do some weird experimenting which I haven't done yet, now that I think about it...
Last edited by Scottman; 12-09-2010 at 04:16 PM.
Wasn't sure to put it there or here. No game taken. Also the concept relating to wilderness survival. Move it if it doesn't belong.
That's interesting. I wonder the legality of actually using it for small game in certain circumstances, so I think it is more WSS appropriate than being in the Hunting and Fishing forum.
This I've never seen before. I've seen the shotgun inserts but nothing for rifles, and they have Game Getters for 300 Win Mag. Nice!
Thanks for sharing. I'll have to do some research, but this has serious potential and makes a weapon that much more versatile.
This belongs here in WSS and Hunting and Fishing.
No problem that's why we're here, to share
It's more simple than handloading low power loads for people who don't do that.
So does the buckshot actually contact the rifling, or does it just fly out of the barrel BB style?
And if you fired it from a caliber that it would contact the rifling, would it have the PSI to clear the barrel?
confused on your question man.
you put the buckshot through a swage-see the thing that says 311, that makes it the size of the your bore-the lands.
The targets were shot at 25 yards.
I've been wondering about about these for a while. Good post!
Well thank you sir!
You are a gentleman and a scholar!
WARNING!!!! Ideas haven't been tested, proceed with own risk!! Most of them are if you are desperate. Not recommending this...
Ok, some other ideas.
A bonus on the buckshot in the neck of the cartridge is there's no jump into the rifling when you compare it to pistol type adapters for rifles. Could be better accuracy with this.
To be far to mcace he pretty much has a similar device that if available could be used in "somewhat" of a similar fashion, that does not come with the swage for the buckshot, and is not advertised to do this but if you look http://mcace.com/rifleinserts.html
The 22 rimfire for centerfire uses a offset firing pin plug- with the 22 barrel running down the center of the barrel. You MAY be able to substitute a powerjet and use a muzzleloaded swaged buckshot pellet.
The downside is I haven't done this so I can't report back. You MAY be able to place a swaged buckshot ahead of it in the barrel, and when you shoot the force of the powerjet sends the buckshot down range. Not sure if this would work/muzzleloader fashion/ but it may have application if you were desperate and it does work without any problems. Just throwing the concept out there...
Playing around with these concepts...
1. You maybe could shoot powerjets out of a 22 rimfire. You could muzzleloaded 22 ball or a paper patched/air cone bamboo dart. Not really sure why 22 Rimfire ammo is Well abundant.... If you had a pistol with short barrel a bamboo skewer would extend past the barrel, which leads to applications of dart tips/broadhead/.... yeah, I know silly...
2. Maybe could pull 22 bullets from 22 rimfire and use that (22 case with powder/cotton stuffing to keep powder in) as propulsion for the Hammond Game Getter type devices.... I was secretly wondering about when I said, "3. The report is about as load as a 22. handloaded Squibs can be much quieter. Well unless you do some weird experimenting which I haven't done yet, now that I think about it..." if you would take a 22 rimfire, pull bullet, empty out some of the powder to CB short levels, if the report of the Game getter maybe quieter. I in theory think it would be, but the projectile would be going slower, and you would have to see how much powder it would take to get the swaged buckshot to exit and fly down range at the velocity you want. I'd lube the projectile. I was thinking about 500 feet per second, a 53 grain swaged buckshot would give 30 FT/pounds of energy- plenty for killing small game. Using the 22 lead bullet to add to the casting pot.
This would if necessary increase scroungability. Me I would use 22 rimfire ammo in my 22 rifles, But if desperate to keep a rifle up and running, or could quiet the report of the hammond game getter device....
Last edited by Scottman; 09-17-2010 at 03:05 PM.
Scottman, you answered my question as much as humanly possible, I just wasn't up with the concept.
So, now I understand that the thing is caliber-specific. Makes much more sense.
Now, shoot a starling and post pics. Just cause I hate starlings.
Yeah, it's made as a cartridge for you rifle, whether that be 30-30, 30-06, or 45-70, etc....
Last edited by Scottman; 06-18-2010 at 12:22 PM.
Finally got to field test it, woodchuck last week and today I got out for a bit
Last edited by Scottman; 12-09-2010 at 04:17 PM.
Now I get it...I thought you went Squirrel hunting with a .303 British for a minute. Cool in practice as well as theory, reminds me of the old .22 Jet cartridge that came with inserts so you could shoot .22 lr out of them.
Full power loads?
haha low power for small game, high power for stuff that needs it.
Hows the bore look after using this?
Ummm sorry I really tired from working. What do you mean? Like comparing it to normal shooting? sorry for the dumbness here
Reloaders can do the same thing:
Take some once-fired brass that easily chambers in your rifle. De-prime it and reprime it.
Drop .3cc of Bullseye or Red Dot pistol powder into each piece of primed brass. Thumb a lubricated .30 soft lead buckshot into the mouth.
VIOLa, you have made your own for a fraction of the price.
.5cc powder charges are more powerful, still.
These sorts of reloader tricks are easily done, and worked well in a No. 4 Enfield, and various surplus American .30/06 boltactions.
For sure!! you can also make these devices if you are handy.
different ways to do many things.
Although loadout will be MUCH better with the ramset cartridges than trying ot carry 100 30-06 "grouse loads"
Last edited by Scottman; 11-11-2010 at 01:22 AM.
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