You should call the Mesa PD and ask.
My brother has a 35 year old felony from when we were kids in Calif but we live in Mesa, AZ now. We both carry Cold Steel Vaquero Grande 6 inch Folders clipped inside pocket. We want to find out if it's a crime for him to be carrying this knife around either open or concealed. It's a real nasty weapon that can only be considered as such. My brother can't get this felony expunged due to the violent nature of the offense, but he still needs to be able to have some means to way to defend himself.
This is the knife we carry: http://images.coldsteel-knives.com/L...nde_Folder.jpg
You should call the Mesa PD and ask.
can you look up the laws on knives in your area.Google works for me here in VA. it brings up the legit codes and such, I'd say that's a little extreme of knife unless you live in the rough. I'd go with something at least a little less threatening looking if its a concern because that's a beast of a knife ha ha. or just go outlaw with it and forget the rest. better to have it and not need it,than to need it and not have it, i always say. anyways good luck with your answer. i hope i helped some
A convicted felon is not allowed to carry anything considered a weapon in any state that I am aware of including Arizona.
If he has not had his rights restored, then he cannot carry anything that even remotely can be considered a weapon.
If the knife can be referred to as a weapon, then convicted felons are not permitted to carry it.
I would question whether a convicted felon in California would be allowed to carry any knife over 3" long. All it takes is the court to decide that it can be used as a weapon.
Arizona has the most open carry laws of any state. You can carry anything concealed, a knife, a gun, club, whatever-- as long as you are not a convicted felon.
A convicted felon basically has no rights to carry--anywhere, unless their rights have been restored in the court. The OP stated that the felony was for a violent crime which makes it even more unlikely that he would be allowed to carry a weapon or any knife that can be construed as a weapon.
Here is the law itself, truncated for relevant paragraphs and emphasis added:
A. In this chapter, unless the context otherwise requires:
1. "Deadly weapon" means anything that is designed for lethal use. The term includes a firearm.
7. "Prohibited possessor" means any person:
(b) Who has been convicted within or without this state of a felony or who has been adjudicated delinquent for a felony and whose civil right to possess or carry a gun or firearm has not been restored.Unfortunately, this still leaves the matter a tad uncertain. Yes, your brother is, by the letter of state law, a prohibited possessor. It is a matter if Vaquero is specifically "designed for lethal use." Frankly, even being a knife knut who thinks knives are tools first, I would have a hard time arguing that it isn't designed to be used as a weapon.13-3102. Misconduct involving weapons; defenses; classification; definitions
A. A person commits misconduct involving weapons by knowingly:
4. Possessing a deadly weapon or prohibited weapon if such person is a prohibited possessor
If he really wants a big folder that isn't going to be viewed as a deadly weapon, perhaps a CRKT Surf n Turf or a Opinel Slim? Don't scoff, you'd be amazed how many homicides I have seen with fillet knives. Skinny culinary blades like those are designed to go through meat. Just sayin. Of course that also raises the problem of whether knives are good for self-defense in the first place. They only do two things: Scare, and Kill. He certainly needs to have options outside of these two force continuum levels to be safe.
Last edited by glistam; 12-29-2010 at 12:41 PM.
If your brother is actually concerned for his safety (and dosen't just want to carry a big knife, like me) he should probably look into carrying a tazer or pepper spray.
Pocket knives, while possibly a good deterrent to a fight, are probably not the best option for self defense. Especially for him, considering the law.
You pull out a Vaquero and it will not be viewed as a "tool". The only "tool" will be you, the felon, when they put the handcuffs on!
Here are the official statute links that I forgot to put in my last post.
It comes down to whether or not a given knife is "designed for lethal use." There is no established caselaw under the new statutes as to what constitutes such a weapon or any mention of blade length. Do not forget a major factor on this whole darn thing is why a police officer not only discovers your brother's knife, but cares enough about it to approach him AND is suspicious enough to run his priors through a computer.
Last edited by glistam; 12-30-2010 at 11:19 AM.
come to think of it,that link is a bit dated.Thanks for the correction.
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It all comes down to how the court interprets the law and whether you get caught.
If the person wishes to be exposed to the possibility of jail time, then by all means test out the theory that felons can carry anything that they want to.
You know, while the felony couldn't be expunged, there are other options where the restriction can be lifted and his right to possess arms is restored (http://www.shouselaw.com/gun-restoration.html) Maybe one of these is an option? If however his offense was so severe and brutal in nature that these aren't options for him...maybe I'm not going to be all that upset if this guy isn't allowed to carry a knife. And maybe I'm not going to be all that concerned about his ability to defend himself.
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