Jay Fisher knives

[betzner]

Hi Dingus,

Lots of hype and hope on forums. You asked a question. Your question was immediately met with....You didn't ask it right. Don't get pushed around.

While you were quick to point out that Dingus asked the question incorrectly and possibly an inflammatory manner. His question was not answered.

Bob, Coop, Jos and Lorien what are your experiences with Jay Fisher's knives?

Which ones have you purchased for your pleasure, use and/or enjoyment?

I like Dingus have no personal experience with Jays' knives. As you are knowledgeable members of this forum I would appreciate your take on his work. You can be specific to just the ones you have owned if you like.

Was that sweet enough Paul?

Les, I don't answer anyone's questions on que, including yours.

[Les Robertson]

You see Dingus,

That is Bob's way of saying he has no experience with Jay's knives.

You just have to know how to ask the questions.

And Bob, there was no time frame...yes or no...any experience with his knives. Obviously the answer is no. Which is fine.

Oh and Bob, if you don't answer on que...don't expect others to jump to because you say so. Fair is fair.

Lorien, Coop and Jos...any experience with Jay's work?

[betzner]

Dingus, as you can see, many of us started out with an objection about your initial approach. Had nothing to do with the maker about which you inquired. But we all kinda warmed up to each other, with Lorien doing a bit of footwork. Consequently, it's turned out to be a very worthwhile endeavor, irrespective of your initial inquiry.

You'll more than likely notice that many of us often ignore Les.

[Lorien]

I think you're pretty capable of making your point without being an ass about it, Les.

I explained my POV fairly well I thought, and I think the guy who started the thread acknowledged where I was coming from. Why you're poking at the moment, my good man, I do not fully understand. You already know the answers to the questions you're asking, so, uh...what's up?

[Les Robertson]

Wow....I asked the question nice...geesh.

Ok, so Bob you don't own and have never owned any of Jay's work.

Lorien, I take it you don't own any of Jay's work.

Guys, he was asking a question is it worth it?

Now, you may not have been happy with how he asked the question (and jumped all over him for it).

So now we are waiting on Jos and Coop as to their experience with Jay's work.

I believe you jumped Dingus to avert a Flame war? Probably one guy could have done that.

So the question remains:

what do you guy's think about Jay Fisher knives? over priced,just works of art?

If you have actually owned some or at least have handled Jay's knives please come forward with your opinion.

If you have not. Then just state that you were unhappy with the way he asked a question and that you have no opinion on Jay's work. That way Bob, Dingus will know who to ignore in the future. And he can actually look forward to those with some insight into this makers work.

He might just be Jay's next customer if he can get an answer.

[betzner]

Dingus, good luck with your future threads on the custom knife forum.

Les, you are - AGAIN - placed on ignore.

Have a nice day.

Best (to you, Dingus)

ps: The less one knows, the longer the explanation.

[Les Robertson]

Hi Lorien,

You already know the answers to the questions you're asking, so, uh...what's up?

What's up. Is that very knowledgeable people who participate in this forum on a regular basis are jumping on a guy because they "Think" the way they read his question...might ruffle some feathers.

Fair enough. But as I stated earlier...it only takes one to do that. Also, any reason you couldn't PM Dingus? Many of you would appreciate that courtesy.

I guess I just grow tired of people jumping in, with no substantive subject matter knowledge. Whose main participation in a thread is to provide corrective action on how to properly ask a question so as to not offend some of the "delicate sensibilities" of other forum members.

There is a wealth of knowledge regarding custom knives on this forum. I would like to see it used to answer the question asked as opposed to pointing out Parliamentary Procedures.

Perhaps Robert's Rules should be a "sticky" on this forum.

Also, I am curious as to what people think of Jay's work. I have been to his website a couple of times (I like stone handles).

Lorien as you know I am a sensitive guy yet I don't see anyone telling Bob that he was cruel with his condemnation of my comments...telling people to ignore me. I don't know if I will be able to sleep tonight.

As for you points, well thought out, very non-confrontational (Bob will not ignore you). However, this could be used to describe many makers work just by changing the name. But then again that is the nature of the beast with custom knives. Many makers reflect other makers styles and materials.

I agree with you that ultimately it is up to the collector/buyer if they feel they should spend their money on any knife.

More and more over the last 5 years questions like this are being asked. Not to cause flame wars or demean a maker and/or their work. But to the point....how does this makers work hold up in the aftermarket. I think you would agree if you are the type of collector who will eventually sell some of your knives. It is better to ask the question before you buy the knife...then to find out after you are trying to sell it....that you should have asked the question before you bought the knife.

[Lorien]

see? That's so much better- just say what's on your mind man. Being confronted like that feels like I'm being condescended to, I'd much rather hear the straight goods, so thanks.

Ever since I got into custom knives, I've been aware of Jay Fisher and his work, that's about 6 years now I guess. I have his site book marked and visit it often, and I've been in correspondence with Jay on a number of occasions.

I will buy a knife from him, and I'm pretty sure I know what my budget will be and that he'll be able to meet it. I know I like his style, his fit and finish is evident, and the positive feedback he's received is impressive and consistent. I'm just waiting for the right time, and the right knife. But I know that he's the right guy, and I don't have to have seen his work in person to know that. I could say the same about someone like Jurgen Steinau or Wolfgang Loerchner, or any number of knife makers, but the only way I'll ever be able to afford one is to die and cash in my life insurance. Jay is attainable, and I'm sure can set a guy up for $500 like most knife makers. Just to get the foot in the door, and that price by the way is not far off from a Randall or Busse etc. just to make a point.

[SharpByCoop]

Hi Les,

I was true to only what I know: Proper forum behavior. You might have guessed, I have NEVER handled even one of Jay's knives. Only seen his clear photos.

That was immaterial to me. I didn't opine on Jay's quality because I don't have experience. I leave that up to others.

Yes I struck right back to the implied words "overpriced?" and "just works of art?" Because without the OP adding his experience, it was baiting.

In the end they just might be both or neither. The OP stated he didn't spend time on his query and recognized he may have phrased it wrong.

How we interact is as much value to me in this forum as is getting the facts. I may even swing closer to the how than the getting.

YMMV... We'll agree to disagree.

Coop

[brettn]

wow! This forum has lots of opinionated members! I like that. It's good to see people who are passionate about the things they love. Back to the original post, I would love to hear from someone who has first hand knowledge with Jay's knives because I am considering investing in one some time in the next couple of years. So if anyone has some comments about jay's work, please post. I'm not really interested in price comparison/justification, arguments over blade steels, etc. I simply want to know what you like about your Jay Fisher knife, what made you decide to invest in one and anything else you care to share about the experience. I think everyone feels a personal connection to custom knives they purchase and I simply want to hear about some of those connections to Jay's work.

As for introductions, my name is Brett and I have been making knives for about a year now. I commissioned two knives for a friend last year from a local bladesmith and decided I HAD to learn how to do it. I took a series of bladesmithing classes from him and have pretty much become addicted to knifemaking. I'm not quitting my day job, but I can be found in the garage throwing sparks at night and on the weekends. I've been lurking around the forums for a while now so I guess it's time I start participating.

[jtny]

what do you guy's think about Jay Fisher knives? over priced,just works of art?

WOW, I can't believe that your question generated such childish responses........LOL

Well I own a Jay Fisher knife, its what most people would call a "tactical knife", simply put it's the best knife I own, I paid 1800 for it in 2010, the former owner who said the knife was never used and that was the truth I had the blade inspected with a scope, today I'm told the knife is worth 3000 and have been offered 2500 for the knife, so as an investment the return is very good for a "passion" investment. In fact I can't think of many funds that deliver returns like that. I like simple, aligant knives that are made to be used, I don't buy "art" knives or jeweled pieces, I want the highest quality "functional" knives known to man.

I use this knife whenever I can and have brought it underwater with me diving, in fact I killed a MONK FISH with it off of Long Island in 195' of water while wreck diving then removed the piece of the monk fish that you can eat....the "loin" on the surface with the knife. It's fair to say that I beat the hell out of this knife.

Overpriced? Not when you consider all of the facts, they are very expensive but I don't think you will loose money on the knife if you were to buy one, very few knife makers can say that, in fact most if not all of his knives appreciate in value.

Art Knifes? You're WAY off here, Jay does make some incredibly beautiful "works of art" BUT EVERYTHING he makes is 100% functional and will out last everyone on this forum, the stone handles are in fact more durable then anything you'll see on "tactical" knives.

Steel: I've seen Jay criticized for his steel selection from time to time, what I can say is this, my knife is made out of a readily available steel, its nothing exotic but my Fisher holds a better edge then any knife I own made from the exotic or super steels priced from 400 to 1000 USD.

Fisher Knives are in the category of "Best of the Best" but his knives are certainly not for everyone and thats one of the reasons they have value.

[NStricker]

I hope you realize that this thread is over a year old. . .

[another mike]

they do seem a bit overpriced to me, but then again, the finish is about as close to perfect as can be expected. Finish like that takes an awful lot of work. I figure a guy should be compensated for that. Also I always liked 440C.

[another mike]

haha oops I didn't notice this thread was old.

[magnumb]

I hope you realize that this thread is over a year old. . .

But his post and thoughts on the matter were very much appreciated, by me anyway, and well stated, making it one of a very few 'timeless' posts. The information I gained from that one post helped me to both better appreciate different views that certain members hold in regards to worth and value while unintentionally promoting a maker that I have also been interested in by sharing his feelings on Jay's knives as well as his thoughts on quality and appreciation (both financially and personally)............which was essentially what the OP, I believe, had originally intended to ask.

I always appreciate a post where the substance of the post is clear and convincing and is derived from experience and/or current or prior ownership of some product.

I know that you were just trying to help 'jtny' out with your post and my response to you has no ill intent whatsoever. As 'another mike' said, I didn't notice that the thread was old either.....LOL.

I'm quite happy that 'jtny' didn't notice that either, 'cuz had he noticed the threads last entry date, he might have just let it slide and not posted. IMHO.....that would have been a loss as I found his thoughts quite useful and convincing.

Take care fellow members...........

[Doug C]

jtny,

Congrats on your Jay Fisher knife, am curious about the sheath...
And, how was the monkfish ?

Doug

[jtny]

HI,

Good question, I had an "everyday" kydex sheath made, the one that came with the knife was great, sturdy and secure but sheaths tend to get beat up so I thought that would have an impact on value in the event of a trade or sale so the sheath is actually treated much better then the knife.

Monkfish is always great if you know how to cook it.....and thats very difficult.

Jon

[chouinardragon]

We tried to work with Mr. Fisher on a tactical knife for our teams but find his knives to be more works of art and less hard use. Albeit, he uses wonderful materials to construct them. Who else would be a good choice in combat tactical knives who is just as skilled as Mr. Fisher? We looked at Daniel Winkler, but the same materials are not used for what we need. We are looking for someone to take our design concepts and incorporate them into a knife design based on our ideas as well as the knife makers own professional experience.

[jtny]

What exactly are you looking for? Jay Fischer Tactical Knives are some of the most durable made today but 2 years lead times are tough.

We tried to work with Mr. Fisher on a tactical knife for our teams but find his knives to be more works of art and less hard use. Albeit, he uses wonderful materials to construct them. Who else would be a good choice in combat tactical knives who is just as skilled as Mr. Fisher? We looked at Daniel Winkler, but the same materials are not used for what we need. We are looking for someone to take our design concepts and incorporate them into a knife design based on our ideas as well as the knife makers own professional experience.

[severedthumbs]

Dingus you'd be wise to listen to Les. Damn being pc Les tells it how it is.