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    A while back my uncle gave me this two man bucking saw. It is six feet long and champion tooth pattern. I believe it is flat ground. I have cleaned both sides where I would likely find an etch, but no cigar.




    The handles that came with it.





    One of my raker gauges




    Might be the No 4, but I cannot verify.




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    Quote Originally Posted by rjdankert View Post
    A while back my uncle gave me this two man bucking saw. It is six feet long and champion tooth pattern. I believe it is flat ground. I have cleaned both sides where I would likely find an etch, but no cigar.

    Bob
    Looks like a perfectly usable saw. You've got some filing and setting ahead of you. Those rakers will take a while.

    From the thickness of the teeth I'd guess that to be a taper ground saw. Is it thinner at the back of the saw than at the teeth? I don't believe I've seen one that thick at the tooth that wasn't at least tapered if not crescent ground, too.

    I've heard that a grill block is best for bringing out an etch.

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    I hope it's not against the rules, but was looking for something unique to make a sign out of. Friend found this piece of a blade. It has three teeth where most have either 2 or 4. I emailed a saw guy in Oregon he said was champion pattern from the 40's

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    Quote Originally Posted by BamaDADx3 View Post
    I hope it's not against the rules, but was looking for something unique to make a sign out of. Friend found this piece of a blade. It has three teeth where most have either 2 or 4. . .
    I think it will make a cool sign. Just some information:

    ATKINS


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    The three cutter patterns don't seem to be common in the images and catalogs I have. The ones I found are all on bucking saws. I do not recall ever seeing one in person. Thanks for showing the picture.


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    Looks like a piece of a dragsaw blade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Square_peg View Post
    Looks like a piece of a dragsaw blade.
    It could be. I've never seen one in person. A local organization has an annual four day show called the "Antique Engine & Tractor Show". Lots of neat stuff, but was hoping someone would bring a drag saw. Maybe this year.


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    Another drag saw:




    Interesting blades - Spear & Jackson 1923:




    I've never heard about "mill webs". Initial searching doesn't turn up much:




    Disston 1918:




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    I believe the web saws would be gang saws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garry3 View Post
    I believe the web saws would be gang saws.
    I could be mistaken. I think they may be for buck saws, bow saw ect.

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    What I came across was called "billet webs". Those I believe are for Buck saws. Old Sheffield catalog. Have no idea how to post a picture from it.

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    After looking at the broken piece of a saw that BamaDADx3 posted, I would be inclined to guess that it might be part of an Atkins Dexter 220, as shown in rjdankert's post #445.
    The saw appears to have a straight back, and it has 4 cutter "starter" teeth, just like the posted example. It looks like the "upper" end of the saw is broken just past the "starter" teeth?
    It is not a Champion pattern, and most drag saw blades are made of thicker plate - many with directional rakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trailsawyer View Post
    After looking at the broken piece of a saw that BamaDADx3 posted, I would be inclined to guess that it might be part of an Atkins Dexter 220, as shown in rjdankert's post #445.
    The saw appears to have a straight back, and it has 4 cutter "starter" teeth, just like the posted example.
    It has a straight back and also straight teeth. That says dragsaw to me.

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    Here's a 48" perf-lance I'm working on for a buddy. This is a flat ground saw. It was pretty rough when I got it.

    In this photo I have cleaned the saw with my brass wire cup brush, jointed it in the extreme, shaped the rakers, swaged the rakers to .009 and filed the rakers to .012.



    NOS Heller cant files. I can't believe how well these cut. They blow away a new Pferd file. They cut on just one surface - two surfaces safe.




    In this 3rd photo I have safed off the rakers, completed filing the opposite side and am filing the final side. Jointing left a flat on my cutters that was often 1/8" wide. There was a lot of material to remove. Finished teeth to the left. Jointed teeth to the right.




    This gives you an idea how bad the cutters were. Look at the flats after jointing.




    A little out of focus but this photo shows filed cutters and unfiled cutters.




    Filings on the bench. I need to clean my bench.


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    Nice saw vice, Pegs. I drooled over a couple at the flea market a couple Sundays back, but the housemate already has a nice Diston she restored, so they stayed with the vendor. I really like this thread. Those big old saws are so cool and so far from my modern experience.
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    i have several man saws (one, one+, and two person), mostly in good shape still, and some vises, and am collecting saw-sets, and looking for rakers and such...

    the one person cross-cut saw is the real prize, but super psyched to do some sawing this Spring / Summer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Square_peg View Post
    Here's a 48" perf-lance . . .
    IDK, but doing a 48 inch crosscut on a hand saw vice seems like it would take a little patience. Good looking job. Now set those cutters and go forth and make noodles!


    Bob

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    I don't have space for a large saw vise now so I make do with the handsaw vise and a runoff stand. It actually works pretty good. I've also filed saws in my blacksmith vise with mitered blocks afixed to the jaws and also using a runoff stand. That worked fine, too.

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    I have some larger saws that will require me to eventually build a saw vise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Square_peg View Post
    I don't have space for a large saw vise now so I make do with the handsaw vise and a runoff stand. It actually works pretty good. I've also filed saws in my blacksmith vise with mitered blocks afixed to the jaws and also using a runoff stand. That worked fine, too.
    Or. . .






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    the closest i'v come to a saw vice is a 45 cut into a log for touching up teeth. believe me, a MOUNTED vice would be nice. you guys would scream if you saw how i file my saws. you guys have all your fancy jointers and CC saw tools... im over here like HAMMER MAKE RAKER GOOD

    (no im not ruining my saws. they're extremely fixable. only a few thou off)

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