Have you ever seen anything creepy?

[VaughnT]

The most interesting thing about all of this is the simple indication that something is happening that we don't yet understand.

If you think about it logically, and get rid of the human arrogance, it's safe to say that there are possibilities of our world and/or mind that we haven't even conceived of. 200 years ago, we didn't know anything about microwaves or the infrared spectrum or human flight. Not only didn't we know about them, but the very idea was considered ludicrous. Nobody discussed it because it wasn't even thought of.

What will we see in the next 200 years? Will we come to understand alternate realities? Wormhole travel? Astral projection? Telekinesis?

I'm reminded of a study I read years ago where they found rather conclusively that people in the hospital that had groups praying for them actually recovered faster than patients that didn't have folks praying for them. The religious crowd claims this is proof of god. The secular crowd claims that this is proof that aligning the electrical energy field around a person can affect healing. On either side, we have absolutely no idea what's really going on. We can't measure what's happening in the patient or the prayers. We can't tie the two together with our level of technology. But that doesn't mean something isn't happening, just that we can't see it.

Prayer is a form of meditation. Meditation has been shown to have a physical effect on the meditator. It is possible that focusing their will on the healing of a sick person, while in a meditative state, could have an impact on the energy field around the patient.

Logic works, but we don't have the science to confirm or deny this is happening.

Is there a collective consciousness? Is that what prayer and meditation taps into? Is that what generates ghosts and goblins? We're a long way from knowing......

[Murdamook]

The most interesting thing about all of this is the simple indication that something is happening that we don't yet understand.

If you think about it logically, and get rid of the human arrogance, it's safe to say that there are possibilities of our world and/or mind that we haven't even conceived of. 200 years ago, we didn't know anything about microwaves or the infrared spectrum or human flight. Not only didn't we know about them, but the very idea was considered ludicrous. Nobody discussed it because it wasn't even thought of.

What will we see in the next 200 years? Will we come to understand alternate realities? Wormhole travel? Astral projection? Telekinesis?

I'm reminded of a study I read years ago where they found rather conclusively that people in the hospital that had groups praying for them actually recovered faster than patients that didn't have folks praying for them. The religious crowd claims this is proof of god. The secular crowd claims that this is proof that aligning the electrical energy field around a person can affect healing. On either side, we have absolutely no idea what's really going on. We can't measure what's happening in the patient or the prayers. We can't tie the two together with our level of technology. But that doesn't mean something isn't happening, just that we can't see it.

Prayer is a form of meditation. Meditation has been shown to have a physical effect on the meditator. It is possible that focusing their will on the healing of a sick person, while in a meditative state, could have an impact on the energy field around the patient.

Logic works, but we don't have the science to confirm or deny this is happening.

Is there a collective consciousness? Is that what prayer and meditation taps into? Is that what generates ghosts and goblins? We're a long way from knowing......

The study of which you are speaking was found to be undeniably skewed. Neither the subjects nor the researchers were blind, therefore both parties knew who was being prayed for and who was praying for them. Also, all that determined the subjects' "good feelings" was their word in an unblind study. There was no difference in length of stay, even though several prayers were for rapid recovery. Nor did the prayer affect the mortality of patients who were going to pass away, even though several prayers were specifically regarding mortality. The entire study was proved to be invalid, as were others like it for similar reasons.

No one denies that humans are still very much in the dark regarding many things. Also, no one completely denies the existence of certain apparently "supernatural" incidents. Even the most staunch atheists like Richard Dawkins say that if God-presumably, this encompasses anything supernatural-were to appear and present him/her/itself to them and give undeniable proof of his/her/its existence, then even he (Richard Dawkins) could no longer deny the existence of God. All scientists desire is undeniable-or as close to it as possible-proof of the existence of many of these things. With the scientific method being what it is, it is understandable that they would require this.

[Bowman1911]

I've worked for 12 years in a 160+ year old mental institution. I've got more stories than I care to type.

[Liberando]

I've worked for 12 years in a 160+ year old mental institution. I've got more stories than I care to type.

Bowman1911, could you indulge us, perhaps, in just one??????

[uyotg]

Can anyone explain this "feeling" that something is off in better detail? My sense don't seem to be in tune that well. In fact, I get this feeling a lot but nothing ever happens. I get this feeling just from reading through this thread. It makes me to believe the feeling is just suggested, as a few of the stories here also illustrate. That is, "We were just talking about this, and then suddenly it happened!"

I try to be objective and base things on proven science where possible, but while I do believe there are things science can't explain, the subject of this thread on the other hand I believe just has to do with science not having figured out everything yet. These stories beat a lot of the most popular creepypasta floating out there on the Internet.

[Bowman1911]

Well, let's see.

About 2 years before I came here a little old guy, not gero (65+), but might as well have been, with alzheimer's was in adult admission's dept. (18-64) and on a male unit. No big deal. But he was intrusive & wandered about. Well, on Christmas eve one of his roomates strangled him & stuffed him up under his own bed only to be found on Christmas morning. As I said before, this part was before my time. Flash forward to after me starting, & it just so happens I'm hired on the same ward. I worked there for about 1 1/2 years. In that time I have at least 5 patients in the same bed who get up in the middle of the night & complain of something biting their feet. It's always the same story. MR, (mentally retarded pt) gets up between 2200-0200 with some unseen thing biting their feet. Never a competent patient. Always MR. I always just told 'em we had an ant problem & shook out their linen & went on.


Another story. During same timeframe on ward 1 floor below mine. We had a fellow. A true physical beast of a man. He did things that I could tell all day & no one who didn't know him would believe. I've seen him barehanded crush a 1'x1' concrete planter. Rip an institutional toilet off the wall just to have some weight to lift. He tackled a set of steel double-fire doors & knock 'em down frame & all. When he went off, they didn't call for availablle help, they called ALL male help to the ward. To restrain most pts, it takes between 1-6 people & we grab 'em & put them in 4point psych restraints. With him, it took 32 men with a mattress to mash him up against the wall until he calmed down. He broke restaints quite frequently. Having said all that, he liked staff. He only went after other pts. Well, one night he went to the promised land while in the bath tub. I won't get into how/why, I worked his ward that night, but it happened after my shift ended. He always had the same room when he was admitted to that particular ward. We all knew it & we knew he liked that room so we tried to accomodate him. He was a unique indivual. See, he got picked for a prominent nfl team & went out with his teammates to celebrate. Someone gave him something his brain didn't agree with & it burnt him. Never to return. The team dropped him & he spent the rest of his existence in & out of the hospital I work at. As I said, he was a unique indivual. He had a very distinct, high pitched voice & a distinct laugh. So distinct in fact, I'm 100% positive it was him I heard laughing in his own bedroom 5 years after his demise one night when his room was vacant & the door locked from the outside.

[VaughnT]

"The study of which you are speaking was found to be undeniably skewed. " Thanks for the clarification on that, M. I hadn't heard any follow-up on the study.

Still, the point stands that we just don't know what we don't know. And, it will be very interesting to see what happens in the next decade or three!

[Liberando]

Bowman, wow, thanks...very interesting!

[tyr_shadowblade]

You're also wrong regarding the British. The vast majority of people in Britain-excluding the Irish-tend to deny the supernatural entirely. The majority of Russians were rural folk until the mid 1900s. The majority of city-dwelling Russians also deny the supernatural.

You talk about belief in the supernatural and how people who believe, or discuss it seriously, are alienated and "not put into positions of power". Many presidents have reported hauntings in some of the Nation's most famous buildings. They discuss sightings of ghost cats in the halls beneath the White House, or president Lincoln haunting the Lincoln bedroom.

I am not trying to be an a** hole on this one. I am simply wondering where you got your information. If it was from observation, then the areas you have observed and the things you have seen regarding this topic seem to be very limited.

Murdamook:

The extended British Royal family was very involved in witchcraft up through the 1930s, and various family members still are. That is fairly well known if you look into the history of magickal orders in the British Isles. There are a lot of witches in the UK today, but they are not nearly as open about their beliefs as here in the US. But you are correct that Brits tend to be rather stuffy, although their government did acknowledge some unexplained weirdness that occurred at RAF Woodbridge in December of 1980.

US policy towards suppression and disinformation did not begin until the late 1940s, and was originally limited to unexplained aerial phenomenon. It expanded during the late 1960s and continues to this day.

The Soviets have acknowledged a number of UFO sightings as well as having admitted to conducting a number of experiments regarding the development of psychic warfare techniques.

[tyr_shadowblade]

Tyr you seem to have a good idea on whats going on with this stuff. Any ideas as to what we saw?

You and Pyro777 saw two different types of entity and I don't have enough data to be very specific as to what you both saw. I can tell you that they were not "cryptids" which would suggest they were actually an unknown animal of some sort. For want of a better word we can keep it simple and say they were "spirits" (to use the Lakota definition, which basically means a non-physical intelligence capable of manifestation and direct communication).

Little green guy was clearly malicious, but also weak as it was repelled by a basic ward. Entities of that sort feed off of specific emotions such as fear. Keep feeding it and it gets stronger. Children are common targets for that type of entity because they have fewer filters allowing them to be reached more easily. It was lucky your Mum knew how to drive it off. Imagine if she instead told you to shut up, stop lying, and go back to sleep? Things would've gotten nastier and it could've gotten bad.

Black ink guy could've been several different things. Since you experienced a strong fear reaction it was probably something bad, but since it did not directly target or pursue anyone it may not have been malicious. Hard to tell. Probably for the best y'all weren't overly curious and tried to get all Scooby-Doo on him.

[CascadeSam]

There are many very interesting stories in this thread.

Twenty years ago I boarded a bus well after sunset during the summer time. It was dark. Many of the bus windows were open because of the warm weather. Prior to boarding the bus my thoughts were to go sit in the back of the bus. However, as I boarded some intuitive flash hit me flashing the danger signal. I sat down near the front close to the driver. Minutes later as we passed a lower-income area an empty glass bear bottle came flying into the the bus through an open window and hit a guy in the face sitting in the back of the bus. It cut him badly though fortunately not deeply. Blood all over his face. He was sitting exactly where I had earlier planned to sit.

Intuition. All humans have it and can cultivate its wisdom and protection.

[Streetdog]

Can anyone explain this "feeling" that something is off in better detail?

I think it is different depending on the situation. I have had the feeling to slow down and pay more attention. I have the feeling of speed up and move on down the road. It depends on whats going on. To be fair and honest only a few of these feelings have really been involved with anything weird. Most of them have been related to my duties. Sometimes you get the "Don't kick that door, use the other door" feeling. Or sometimes it is just the feeling you need to hold up and wait for a minute. It really seems to be dependent on what is actually going on. You just have to listen to and trust your gut. Sometimes at least for me it takes a second to figure out what it is. You just have to listen and look around and decide what is appropriate.

[tyr_shadowblade]

I think it is different depending on the situation. I have had the feeling to slow down and pay more attention. I have the feeling of speed up and move on down the road. It depends on whats going on. To be fair and honest only a few of these feelings have really been involved with anything weird. Most of them have been related to my duties. Sometimes you get the "Don't kick that door, use the other door" feeling. Or sometimes it is just the feeling you need to hold up and wait for a minute. It really seems to be dependent on what is actually going on. You just have to listen to and trust your gut. Sometimes at least for me it takes a second to figure out what it is. You just have to listen and look around and decide what is appropriate.

I've heard of hundreds of cases of very clear and specific flashes of knowledge that go well beyond "intuition", many of which occurred during combat situations. There are several theories about what is going on there. Many people attribute it to a guardian spirit of some sort, usually an ancestor, and in some cases that may be right. What others have said is that they suddenly very clearly saw and felt things well beyond their physical capabilities -- 360 vision being one common example -- and that is not tachypsychia but something else. One's consciousness is expanded to a supernatural degree for a few brief moments. Whether this can be explained as access to a higher self outside of the body or a type of OOBE is subjective. No-one knows how it happens, but it clearly does happen on rare occasion during times of extreme stress or impending danger.

[Streetdog]

Tyr, that is definatly good info but I'm inclined to believe that what most people experience in just good old fashioned survial instinct. When they choose to listen to it. Like I said in my post I have seen weird stuff pretty much every country I go to and I believe in weird stuff but I also don't jump to the conclusion that everything that happens is something off the wall. However, you seem to have a really deep intrest in this stuff as well as a wide knowledge base. I have actually studied into stuff like this quite a bit as my minor is religion. I believe what I saw is commonly known as a shadow man. Reports go back hundreds of years in most cultures, they just have different names. Interesting stuff.

[Murdamook]

Murdamook:

The extended British Royal family was very involved in witchcraft up through the 1930s, and various family members still are. That is fairly well known if you look into the history of magickal orders in the British Isles. There are a lot of witches in the UK today, but they are not nearly as open about their beliefs as here in the US. But you are correct that Brits tend to be rather stuffy, although their government did acknowledge some unexplained weirdness that occurred at RAF Woodbridge in December of 1980.

US policy towards suppression and disinformation did not begin until the late 1940s, and was originally limited to unexplained aerial phenomenon. It expanded during the late 1960s and continues to this day.

The Soviets have acknowledged a number of UFO sightings as well as having admitted to conducting a number of experiments regarding the development of psychic warfare techniques.

None of your information comes from a credible source. There are countless conspiracy rags out there that claim this and that, but they rarely have any solid evidence. Regardless, the extended British Royal Family is also fabulously wealthy. Should we also assume that the bulk of British society is fabulously wealthy? People in power often practice "unusual" things. You can't extend that to the bulk of the rest of society. Also, science doesn't dispute the existence of extraterrestrials. In fact, it does quite the opposite. I believe there are several scientists in good standing who have said that it is completely selfish to believe that Earth is the only planet that can sustain life.

Show me a credible source in which the Soviets admit to "psychic warfare" experiments. Everything I found on the subject is, again, from a non-credible source. Though, with your previous statements I imagine that my thoughts regarding these sources are "socially influenced". There is not a single mention of anything regarding most of your information in anything peer-reviewed that I found.

Also, one of these sources seems to counter your argument entirely. It claims a link exists, using witchcraft, between American presidents and the British Royal family. I thought you said we would never trust a superstitious person with a leadership role.

I am over this discussion, though. Simply stated: discussing this with you is not dissimilar from discussing the existence of God with a religious person. You believe what you believe and I can't change that. If we believed everything that was ever written, we would all be numb skulls. We can't truly trust anything that we read, but peer-reviewed journals and credible sources tend to harbor the most likely explanations for things.

For instance:
How am I to trust a book about fairy-folk written by some guy who obtains all of his knowledge from observation and "the spirit world" versus a book written by someone like Richard Dawkins-using him since I discussed him previously-which is peer reviewed and inspired by countless other scientific works written by some of the greatest minds ever known? Seriously, think about that. That isn't society dictating that this author is invalid due to social constructs; it's simply intellectualism as it has been known for centuries upon centuries.

[Mudbug007]

This is one of the scariest moments I've ever had.

When we lived in Texas, we owned five acres and the back part held water pretty much year round. It was basically a mini-swamp with all the creatures you'd expect, just on a smaller scale. We had a screened in back porch and on most nights, I'd be sitting out there listening to all the sounds and smoking a cig and drinking some ice Tea or maybe a beer.

One night as I'm sitting out there listening to all these swamp sounds and just unwinding from a grueling day. I hear my back door slowly creek open and hear a gravely voice say "Hi". I generally sit with my back to the door looking out toward my back yard. As I turned around, I saw the mostly ghastly figure standing in the door grinning. Fear like I had never experienced gripped me. My body instinctively tried to get up out of the chair and run in the opposite direction, both at the same time. Needless to say, it didn't work well and I ended up falling over in my chair and knocking the table over, spilling my ice tea and sending the ash tray flying. The "thing" went back the way it had came. Anger filled me and I jumped up and ran into the house.

I saw my Wife sitting in the Living Room watching TV and I raised my voice to her..."Tell you Mom to stop sneaking up behind me!!"

[James Y]

You and Pyro777 saw two different types of entity and I don't have enough data to be very specific as to what you both saw. I can tell you that they were not "cryptids" which would suggest they were actually an unknown animal of some sort. For want of a better word we can keep it simple and say they were "spirits" (to use the Lakota definition, which basically means a non-physical intelligence capable of manifestation and direct communication).

Little green guy was clearly malicious, but also weak as it was repelled by a basic ward. Entities of that sort feed off of specific emotions such as fear. Keep feeding it and it gets stronger. Children are common targets for that type of entity because they have fewer filters allowing them to be reached more easily. It was lucky your Mum knew how to drive it off. Imagine if she instead told you to shut up, stop lying, and go back to sleep? Things would've gotten nastier and it could've gotten bad.

Black ink guy could've been several different things. Since you experienced a strong fear reaction it was probably something bad, but since it did not directly target or pursue anyone it may not have been malicious. Hard to tell. Probably for the best y'all weren't overly curious and tried to get all Scooby-Doo on him.

tyr:
You make some good points. IMO, many (but not all) of the so-called cryptids are probably non-physical entities of some sort, or beings that can perhaps temporarily solidify in this world. I suspect things such as Nessie, and perhaps some of the weirder phenomena reported, such as the Michigan Dogman, Beast of Bray Road, etc., could be such intelligences that manifest periodically, then fade back into non-physicality. Perhaps they take these forms to feed off of the psychic energy generated by the responses of the observers. For example, I don't put much stock in the belief that there is some sort of dinosaur hiding in the loch, but there have been much weirder phenomena around that area which seem to suggest a "paranormal" or less-conventional explanation than an unknown animal. Of course, this would not include mistaken 'natural' phenomena.

Or perhaps such beings have always been a part of the natural world; one that still escapes the awareness of most people.
Jim

[tyr_shadowblade]

None of your information comes from a credible source. There are countless conspiracy rags out there that claim this and that, but they rarely have any solid evidence. Regardless, the extended British Royal Family is also fabulously wealthy. Should we also assume that the bulk of British society is fabulously wealthy? People in power often practice "unusual" things. You can't extend that to the bulk of the rest of society.

Show me a credible source in which the Soviets admit to "psychic warfare" experiments.

One of my best friends back in NY was a member of the extended Royal family and very well known in the local Wiccan community as he owned an occult bookstore. He told me about several of his relatives, who had titles and owned islands and old castles (more like ruins) who had been High Priests for decades. But this is more of a personal religious thing for them than any sort of Order. The Order of the Garter was originally a magickal lodge and "the highest order of chivalry in England," with members including the Monarch and the Prince of Wales . . . and that has been well documented . . . but the magickal trappings fell by the wayside by the 1900s. This isn't conspiracy theorism, it is only a bit of trivia which means very little anymore.

As for a "credible source" regarding Soviet psychic experimentation? They were only experiments and did not seem to amount to anything much. The United States conducted similar experiments, and similarly had poor results. There were MANY reports "leaked" from either side providing details of alleged "successes" with things such as remote viewing, radionics, superlearning, plant communication, and photographing and manipulating the aura . . . but I think most of those were disinformation intended to make the other side waste resources attempting to duplicate bogus results. The experiments DID occur . . . but they did not seem to work, and attempts to create "psychic spies" or "psychic assassins" ended in failure. There was a bestselling book published in 1970 by Ostrander and Schroder called "Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain" which was an amusing read, and the bibliography was well documented with a number of official sources.

[madman44]

The creepiest thing to ever happen to me occurred on a camping trip with a friend and I last summer.
It was the second day of camping in the middle of the Angeles NF. My buddy decided to take a dump about 80 ft. away from our campsite. He dug a hole, did his business, and covered the hole with dirt and a large rock. We were awakened during the night by some sticks cracking but I figured it was a small animal or something. The next morning, I awoke to discover that someone had neatly organized the fire wood that we had collected into arrows leading DIRECTLY to where he had pooped. Whatever did it obviously didn't like us pooping there.

[bush-haus]

The creepiest thing to ever happen to me occurred on a camping trip with a friend and I last summer.
It was the second day of camping in the middle of the Angeles NF. My buddy decided to take a dump about 80 ft. away from our campsite. He dug a hole, did his business, and covered the hole with dirt and a large rock. We were awakened during the night by some sticks cracking but I figured it was a small animal or something. The next morning, I awoke to discover that someone had neatly organized the fire wood that we had collected into arrows leading DIRECTLY to where he had pooped. Whatever did it obviously didn't like us pooping there.

Wow.... Not sure how I would react to that, exept pack up and run.... And run... And run. You and your friend were being watched for a while. Creepy to say the least.