Knives are no joke

[Nternal]

So if you saw me kicking the shiznit out of a woman in a parking lot at night, you'd mind your own business? Walk right on by as if nothing is happening? Wow, bummer....

If he knew that it was your gf or wife how would he know that she didn't pull a knife on you or hit you with a weapon first or let all her buddies run a train on her with your child in another room while you were out .You never know the situation and sometimes it easy to say that you should have self control but we are all human and people can push us to our limits sometimes.

[Nternal]

Random male starts to antagonize me, and takes a swing? I'd likely never let him get that close, I'd just keep my distance.

A male friend and I get into an argument, possibly after a drink or two, and he decides to take a swing? I'd try my best to block it and put distance between us.

If I'm in the wrong, why should I hurt someone over it? If I'm in the right, they don't deserve to be injured.

I think a lot of that post is wishful thinking especially the random male part but I'm glad that you are at least saying that you would treat it equally.

[Blackfeather]

When my Kali teacher instructs cops at the academy he says " For those of you who don't think a knife is dangerous, give a butcher knife to a 12 year old kid & try to take it away from him." Anyone who has a knife in his hand automatically becomes Mike Tyson.

Actually, my little cousin was playing with a 12 inch foam practice knife I made and I disarmed him by grabbing his wrist with a bandanna. Does that count?

[Circle-A-Blades]

The whole point is the difference between a man and a woman. Sure, some chics are pretty butch and can kick some major a$$. The typical female, however when put in a physical confrontation with a male the same size and shape will not be as strong as he is. Also, a male is more structured for battle or fighting than a woman....our bodies are built better for it. Not saying that women don't beat on their men or their kids or their dogs....just saying that if a man is beating on a woman, shame on him....even if she is a big biznitchadizat and never shuts the ef up and pushes his buttons over and over and over and then cheats on him with his best friend. An a$$ whoopin isn't the answer. Just leave her....

[tyr_shadowblade]

All I'm saying is that when it's a situation where it's domestic then most likely both are at fault to a certain extent. This woman was obviously romantically involved with this individual but just now out of the blue he attacked her? I don't buy it. I'm sure that his "badboy" image probably made her attracted to him and she knew the kind of person he was all along.The thing is that some women think such guys are "exciting" and a "rush" until the guy turns his wrath on them. She will probably still continue sexual relations with him when he is out of jail and probably would have right after if he wasn't arrested. To all the white knights..it seems that perhaps you might not really have too much experience with different women to understand how some of them wind up in these situations.A lot of them will push a situation to it's limits and antagonize someone into an aggressive state. I understand a person stepping in to stop a person from being seriously injured or killed but when it's an issue between two people that are both involved in the situation perhaps it is best to stay out of it unless absolutely necessary .

Dude . . . apparently this topic is very important to you for some reason. Can't hate all women and assume that a girl with a black eye "has a big mouth and doesn't listen."

I've had a number of girlfriends over the years. Some of them were very stupid. My tolerance for bullshit is super low. If I'm with a girl and she starts acting stupid to the point that she "needs" to be smacked, you know how I handle that? I give her a $20 dollar bill and tell her to take a cab home and not to call me anymore. That simplifies thing quite a bit. Smacking a girl not only complicates things, it is wrong and makes you a punk and a loser. You never hit a girl you're in a relationship with. If you feel the "need" to hit her it is time for that relationship to end . . . after which it is STILL wrong to hit her . . . unless you catch her crawling in your window with a butcher knife or something. Hitting girls isn't nice.

[Blackfeather]

I think a lot of that post is wishful thinking especially the random male part but I'm glad that you are at least saying that you would treat it equally.

Well, I'm not sure if that was partially a compliment. I've had many run ins with people who wanted a rise out of me, I don't/didn't look/dress like the people around my home in Oregon seem to want me to look. I've had many occasions where someone felt it was their duty to blow smoke in my face, follow me to the gas station and cuss at me, or even get in my face for holding a door open for them. I don't pretend to understand their irrational attitudes, I've just learned to avoid the issues after. Yes, I've had my moments, I'm only human, and I was later cleared of all charges. I can only get smarter from then on, or so I figure.

[Nternal]

I'm not winning this battle, there is too many of you so I'm just leaving this where it is.

[Circle-A-Blades]

If he knew that it was your gf or wife how would he know that she didn't pull a knife on you or hit you with a weapon first or let all her buddies run a train on her with your child in another room while you were out .You never know the situation and sometimes it easy to say that you should have self control but we are all human and people can push us to our limits sometimes.

Dawg....that doesn't even make sense. And even if it did and it was his wife or girlfriend and she let her buddies pull a train on his kid....I would still not just walk by like nothing was happening. Also, you never heard me say I'd kick his a$$ or pull a weapon or anything.....I just said it is wrong to walk on by like nothing is happening. And it wouldn't matter if it was two guys either....or two women....or a guy and a midget....or a guy beating his dog.....or his kid....or any one

[CQC86]

So if you saw me kicking the shiznit out of a woman in a parking lot at night, you'd mind your own business? Walk right on by as if nothing is happening? Wow, bummer....

If you become involved and the situation becomes escalated, anything can happen. How would you feel to intervene on someone's behalf only to have charges pressed on you due to pressure from the "helpless," victims other half? I have seen this before and I would sure hate to experience it myself. I do not wish to discuss legal ramifications in too much detail because every state is different. In fact, I will not go any further into this conversation about the legalities of the topic. Whether someone deserves a "beat down,'' or not can always be argued due to social, moral, and ethical boundaries. EVERY situation is different, and unless you know the details and the entirety of a scenario, it is a good idea to stay out of it unless you feel forced to intervene. Obviously, every possible situation can not be listed. Therefore, I feel that although it sounds kind of vague, not getting in to it is the most viable option in my book. In case you have anything else that you might like to add I would like for you to review some of the fundamentals of Darwinism, and human psychological conditions/disorders that may become factors in domestic violence. Once you have become familiar with these two things and how they apply to the topic at hand, you will be able to make the best decision that your mind can come up with for that given situation. To make it simple, my answer to your question would be sir, "it depends."

[broe]

A knife is more deadly than a gun? Really? Mmmmmmkay.

yes Daddy O....it is...I have seen guys shot 9 times and still walk to the ambulance. I have seen someone slashed 4 inches deep across the back and fall down right there and not get up. Depends on the person attacked and the will to survive. A knife never needs to be reloaded, is always ready and has never misfires or jams.

FBI statistics recommend a 30 foot radius around you as personal space for weapons drawing...If you have a suspect that encroaches inside that you are to have your gun drawn and ready down position at least by 30 feet. A healthy male, age 19-28, not on drugs like PCB or Meth can close that distance (30 ft) in 0.75 of a second. If they have a knife hidden in their hand, you now are on a losing fight for your life. Even if you draw after the fact you still may be badly injured or die from traumatic shock and blood loss.

[Circle-A-Blades]

If you become involved and the situation becomes escalated, anything can happen. How would you feel to intervene on someone's behalf only to have charges pressed on you due to pressure from the "helpless," victims other half? I have seen this before and I would sure hate to experience it myself. I do not wish to discuss legal ramifications in too much detail because every state is different. In fact, I will not go any further into this conversation about the legalities of the topic. Whether someone deserves a "beat down,'' or not can always be argued due to social, moral, and ethical boundaries. EVERY situation is different, and unless you know the details and the entirety of a scenario, it is a good idea to stay out of it unless you feel forced to intervene. Obviously, every possible situation can not be listed. Therefore, I feel that although it sounds kind of vague, not getting in to it is the most viable option in my book. In case you have anything else that you might like to add I would like for you to review some of the fundamentals of Darwinism, and human psychological conditions/disorders that may become factors in domestic violence. Once you have become familiar with these two things and how they apply to the topic at hand, you will be able to make the best decision that your mind can come up with for that given situation. To make it simple, my answer to your question would be sir, "it depends."

Do you have a cell phone? Can you dial 911? Can you yell at the top of your lungs "FIRE, FIRE,FIRE"? Can you honk your horn and hold it down in hopes someone else calls 911? It doesn't have anything to do with my understanding of Social Darwinism or my level of education in the field of psychological profiling or whether or not I have a Black Belt in Kenpo. It has to do with doing the right thing. My feeling on the matter is though, that your first reaction if you chose to muster the courage would be violence, thus the willingness to accept it as if it's no big deal and just walk on by. This would be likened to the term "violent pacification". There are many ways to skin a cat!

[CQC86]

A knife is more deadly than a gun? Really? Mmmmmmkay.

It all depends on the individuals on both ends. A gun will be useless to someone not knowing hot to operate it. For example, switching the safety from safe to fire. For a highly experienced and professional gunman, a handgun will usually be far more lethal than than a katana or similar weapon. Again, it all depends and falls down on skill, reliability, all sorts of elements of "we'll see."

[Circle-A-Blades]

It all depends on the individuals on both ends. A gun will be useless to someone not knowing hot to operate it. For example, switching the safety from safe to fire. For a highly experienced and professional gunman, a handgun will usually be far more lethal than than a katana or similar weapon. Again, it all depends and falls down on skill, reliability, all sorts of elements of "we'll see."

Also....a knife wound can be two feet long from hip to caller bone and several inches deep allowing the gut sack to spill out and can be delivered in the same amount of time it takes to pull the trigger. But I'd rather get stabbed in the arm or hand then get shot their!

[Motey]

Actual studies have been done over the year, many of them in fact that prove that at short range a knife is more deadly than a gun. Google it.

Something deadly cannot be more deadly than some other thing that is deadly. You can only be killed to death. Not killed more to death. Just saying. And I agree with you that a knife is a serious deadly weapon. I prefer it over my other weapons. I was supporting your position because I knew what you meant.

[CQC86]

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Do you have a cell phone? Can you dial 911? Can you yell at the top of your lungs "FIRE, FIRE,FIRE"? Can you honk your horn and hold it down in hopes someone else calls 911? It doesn't have anything to do with my understanding of Social Darwinism or my level of education in the field of psychological profiling or whether or not I have a Black Belt in Kenpo. It has to do with doing the right thing. My feeling on the matter is though, that your first reaction if you chose to muster the courage would be violence, thus the willingness to accept it as if it's no big deal and just walk on by. This would be likened to the term "violent pacification". There are many ways to skin a cat!

Doing the "Right" thing sounds like a potential dangerous endeavor. Extremists believe they are also doing the "Right" thing. Sir, It is apparent to me that I NEVER said anything about intervention through violence. So much as smiling at someone can cause them to turn their rage on yu. Which in the scenario in question would more than likely turn into a he said she said match that could end badly for you in court. Again, I can not stress engough that anything can happen. It seems that you are getting upset which is okay since it is your right to do so, however, confusing action with courage and using it to call me a coward is just plain silly. Sometimes, courage and fortitude is required to not act. Anyone that has been on the battlefield can attest to this. As for the research that I have asked you to do on darwinism and psychological disorders before further commenting was not a slight on you. In fact, I asked you to refer to these two things to try and understand how domestic violence seems to replicate itself in our society. Usually, one or both parties wheter wrong or right may have a disorder. Also, the victims usually have the opportunity to get away from their abusers but choose not too. I believe that darwinism or lack thereof, along with some knowledge of mental conditions may shed some light on the topic at hand. It is literally impossible to say what is right or wrong based off of the scenario that you have presented. I also mentioned that it depends. I do not know you and will make no attempts to diagnose you. I will say this though, If you do not know what is going on and become involved, however you see fit, bad things can happen. Each scenario is different and judgement is needed to make a decision. You are pressing the issues of generalities and vagueness while attempting to make childish although clever insults. Maybe I am a coward though, I wouln't know but maybe I've run across you in the house to house fighting somewhere in the middle of the sunni triangle? Or possibly somewhere close to the pakistan border. Well, in any case, if we were ever to cross paths you are more than welcome to evaluate me mentally, and also to determine how much courage I lack. Then, at least you could give me a fair assesment instead of throwing labels at me. Have a nice day sir, this conversation is over.

p.s. I never said that I would not make a phone call out of sight. I simply said that I wouldn't get involved. I guess some may argue calling the police would be getting involved which can be a whole other debate. You mentioned that it wouldn't be right to just walk on by implying for me anyways that you would take some sort of action that would be a little more direct than calling the police from a safe and out of sight distance. It all depends man, it's one thing to talk scenarios and what ifs and a whole other to be there to make the call. Here is the best advice that I can give you. "We'll See."

[tyr_shadowblade]

...or a guy and a midget...

I dunno . . . midgets are a LOT tougher than they look.

[simioh]

This thread reminded me of this video which is graphic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwnQ3ZnxFH0

and there's another video of a girl in New York (if I remember right)

[Blackfeather]

Social psychology says the majority of the time, people will do what others do. It's not uncommon for such things to happen and people just ignore it, simply because other people are ignoring it. Some don't want to get involved, or figure there's no point. If the kid was dead, would there be a point in trying to help it? Some people say yes, others say that they aren't sure. None will SAY they won't, but it's likely to be true.

[killgar]

For those who would physically intervene in a fight between strangers, I say more power to you. But like I mentioned earlier, if you have a family, get LOTS of life insurance, seriously. What happens to your family if you die tomorrow trying to save some poor girl? Are you the financial provider? Who's going to pay your mortgage? Do you know how much a funeral costs?

Of course heros never think they're going to die, but they often do. Real life ain't like the movies. I don't know how many times I've heard of guys trying to break up a fight only to get stabbed or shot to death.

But I'll raise a glass to the fallen heros, and I'll feel sorry for their families when they wind up homeless because the breadwinner is dead, and they're living in a homeless shelter, or a car, or on the street.

I admire the nobility and selflesness of heros. But from my experience, when you have a family, you have responsibilities. And with those kind of responsibilities comes hard choices, like putting your family above all else, even ones own need or desire to be a hero. If fulfilling my responsibilities to my family means that I have to live with the guilt of not intervening in a fight, well, that's just something I'll have to live with.

[CWL]

A knife is more deadly than a gun? Really? Mmmmmmkay.

Are you serious?

We're talking about real edged weapons and real guns, not the ones on TV or in video games.