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    Warren Axe and Tool Company - March Manufacturer Thread


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    Ok so here we go - try and provide what I can on our topic - the Warren Axe and Tool Company - Warren Pa - 1893 - 1950(55).

    Basic background -

    The WATCo was founded in 1893 by William Sager and others, William being the main player in the operation. Sager had played a role in various other axe and related companies in the years prior, in Pa and perhaps even Ohio. Some references ask if he might have been involved with the Mann crew in Lewistown - though at this time, from what I have read, this cannot be proved, but they very well could of had some sort of business relationship.

    The WATCo got going with William being able to gain a patent on a new "chemical process" for axes that no one else in the industry currently had. This came about in 1895 with the Sager Chemical Process Axe - which many of you have at least seen or read about before. So - what is it, and what did that mean at the time?

    As stated in one of their catalogs promoting the new "process" - "An improved method of treating steel used for forging axes and other edged tools, which increases the wearing qualities of these tools at least 100 percent, has been adopted by the WATCo, Warren Pa."

    This process was to combine two main aspects of axe heads needed in daily work - toughness and hardness. This was to improve total life of the product, and it would have no superior.

    These Chemical Axes came in multiple patterns - double bit being the most popular -








    However, they did come in single bit as well - though as far as I can tell - no where near as popular - though this is just based off of my observations :




    I got that single bit off of a Mr Greg Burkett - a local from the area of Warren Pa that also supplied the pictures of the working conditions in the factory as seen in Axe Makers of North America. Hell of a guy, great stories too.

    So the Chemical Process became one of the backbone lines of the company. This particular line of course was in production from 1895 until around 1950 - 1950 being the last one I have seen, though that doesnt mean much.

    Other early history would include -

    1900- Fire destorys the plant - company almost decided not to rebuild - but did.
    1907 - Acquire Drop Forge Co - Wayland Ny - (this leads to the manufacture of a complete logging tool line - to come)
    1912 - Acquire - Ridgway Axe and Tool Co
    1916 - Acquire Romer Axe Company - Dunkirk Ny

    Hopefully someone has seen the timeline and noticed one key aspect in it, especially when it comes to axe companies and the turn of the century - WATCo had no involvement with the AmericanAx Tool Co - the huge grouping of axe companies aimed at market domination. Not sure why they were not included/swallowed - but they made it.

    Interesting side story here with the AATCo around this time is, that like other axe manufacturers, the WATCo fell on some hard times with the increased competition around 1899-1900. Then the fire of 1900 hit. A decision was made to hire only the best - that is what they did. The company hired a Herbert Stone as general manager to run the operation. He decided to rebuild. Upon further review, he decided he needed the best of the best to run the actual operation, so he hired superintendent D Murphy to run the ground operations - stolen from the AATCo!

    My favorite story or aspect of the WATCo is that they knew now with the Chemical Axe they had the best product, but it also came at the highest price as well - so it was a difficult sell to hardware stores, department stores, etc. So they hit the ground running. An aggressive campaign was instituted to have physical appearances at logging camps - proving why their product was best. This is what turned the tide for the company. It created such demand for the product, especially with the loggers, that it soon trickled down into the general public as well. This is what made the company.

    The WATCo decided that axes werent the only way to go, and developed also their BULLDOG line, - which was the manufacture of a huge expanse of logging tools. From their 1937 catalog :







    And then also a personal sample - hope you can see it :



    They manufactured everything under the sun for the logging industry - which made sense - you were already targeting the industry with your axes - why not dominate it all together. You can still find on your journeys many cant hooks, peavies, chain accessories, etc with their name on it.

    As you can tell, they were pretty aggressive in marketing - the 1937 catalog I have shows it - some of you already saw some pics - and it is available in PDF on the net :










    Back to Axes -

    So the WATCo had a great run with their lines, obviously as stated the Chemical Process Axe being their most famous - but they had others :

    Sager Line -







    They also had an Old Faithful line -







    The Old Faithful line usually had the year of manufacture on it - similar to the Chemical axes. Not always though.




    They also had many other lines, just like other manufactures. Some included -

    Warren line (name in cursive - a factory line)
    Forest King
    Romer Axe
    Celebrated
    Hiawatha (third line, or slight defect, etc)
    Lake City (same as above)
    Matchless (same)
    Unlce Sams (same)


    A pic of one of the "Celebrated" lines -



    The Canada Operation -

    So, not only did WATCo operate in the US, they also operated in Canada. The Canadian Warren Axe and Tool Co was founded in 1912 after WATCo purchased Standard Axe and Tool Works, then transported all that machinery N to St Catherines, Ontario. Then, after 2 mergers later, it was settled in as Canadian Warren Pink. They also has a distro center in Vancouver, BC.

    An example of one of those -



    These axes only said "SAGER" on one side - no other markings - that is one way to tell them apart from other offerings from the USA. This was a way to get into the Canadian business side of things, especially the logging camps. True Temper would be in the mix also (USA wise), though later on, as Welland Vale(TT bought out Welland Vale in 1930 - but they(Welland Vale) had been there in some capacity since 1869....)

    The WATCo continued on until 1950 (or 1955 depending on what you read and talk to) until Collins bought them out. Collins then of course was bought out by Mann Edge Tool in 1966. There are reports of advertisements in catalogs that Mann ran that stated Warren, Collins, and Mann all on the same page, all out of Lewistown Pa. I have no idea if this is indeed true, but it wouldnt be hard to believe. Also this means that Collins was producing Warren labled products, then Mann was producing Collins and Warren products. Again I have no idea for how long. Damn interesting though.

    An interesting piece I have posted before :










    This is a Sager head with a Collins handle - from right after the merger - wonder how many of these are around?

    Also, not to forget, Warren was a major player with their Puget Sound line of axes - they dated them all in the Chemical line from 1915 on thru 1950 when they stopped making them - here are mine - almost every year, not quite -




    The WATCo is one of my favorites for a couple reasons -

    They could of folded up shop when it all burnt down - but continued on.
    They went out and aggressively marketed their products as the best to the camps themselves.
    They expanded the product line when they saw the opportunity
    They expanded into other markets when they saw the opportunity

    I have been to the old site - it is now mostly a refinery. Greg told me that you can still find old grind stones on the property, and that many locals had them as driveway markers at the end of their driveway. I thought now this guy is pulling my leg, but sure enough, drive around and I saw a couple. Unreal. I can only imagine what the spread looked like back in the day.

    All in all a great tale. It is a shame they couldnt of kept going, but like most axe makers, they met their maker sooner or later after the chainsaw. It was meant to be though I guess. I am surprised by the amount of Chemical Sagers on the west coast, though I guess I shouldnt be - that was prime time for the business. Interesting, multiple occasions I have purchased them online, and they are coming from Oregon. Though I see this as me bringing the axe back home, so to speak.

    A great company with a great story overall. Hope this helps. It is not all inclusive, and I probably messed something up somewhere. Thanks to Axe Makers of North America, YesteryearTools, conversations with Greg Burkett, emails with Larry Mcphail(writer of 2nd edition Axe Makers North America) and multiple catalogs and information I have found for all this information.

    Enjoy.
    Last edited by Operator1975; 12-17-2013 at 06:17 PM.
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    Gotta hand it to you Operator. You're the Man. Research, information, excellent photos, a sense of humour and no bullshit.
    Easy to see why you are well respected here.

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    Holy crap! That was a riveting read Operator, thanks so much. It's one thing to give the historical synopsis in writing but to add photos of your private "living history collection" really seals the deal. And now I know that my 4lb. double is Canadian made.
    Thanks again for sharing.

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    Dude, that was straight up awesome. I'm going to have to read this again very slowly to absorb more of it. Nice job!

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    That was a FANTASTIC read! Very well laid out with excellent, rich, historical information and lots of relevant and well-selected eye candy! I could read a whole book written like that...


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    Thanks for the interesting read, Operator. The more I learn about Warren (and Sager), the more I like them.

    Here's some information taken from another thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Tall View Post
    Interesting that the Warren Axe and Tool Company, in their 1937 catalog, specified that all of the axes made in their factory (3,000 per day), and not just their Sager axes, were "hand forged" and not done by the "cheaper drop-forging process". I imagine they had equipment similar to what Gransfors and Wetterlings uses today, with additional attention given to the Sager axes. "Each Sager Axe receives several hundred blows under the hammer..." and is "ground before tempering, avoiding all danger of drawing the temper..."
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    [quotes from Warren Axe and Tool Company 1937 catalog, courtesy of Rose Antique Tools]
    http://www.roseantiquetools.com/site...pdfopt6.54.pdf
    3,000 axes per day! Where are they all? I want some.

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    Wow! Super well put together and informative piece, Operator.

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    Thanks for posting this!
    It takes time and effort to do and it shows.

    Very interesting read and it got me interested in the chemical aspect of the axe.
    I am trying to find the patent here: http://www.datamp.org/patents/search...=query&start=0
    no luck still checking though. Interesting stuff anyway.

    Then I came across this brief description by chance http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=1&theater
    click on the more info.
    Hope it's ok to post these links in your post, I'm not sure of the proper etiquette in a historical post like this.
    Let me know and I'll edit if necessary.

    This is the second time I read about fire destroying an axe plant.

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    I would highly suggest for anyone interested to take a look at the online PDF format of the catalog - it is something else. The picture of the display they had at the local bank - it really is awesome. To think that is how they displayed their products - to see that today to me would be breathtaking - I would probably just stand there and stare. Or the drawings of the layout of the plant - I am sure it was a sight to see back in the day.

    Thankas for all the comments so far. I hope everyone can get something from the thread. Thanks again.
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    Sager Swampers are still relatively common around here. I have 6 or 8 in various conditions picked up at farm sales and flea markets. The Puget Sound fallers are harder to come by because everyone considers them prime collectors items.
    I've mentioned it before but I have a Sager single-bit with a Collins handle I bought off e-bay. 28-inch handle and a head I guess I would have to call a Connecticut. Not like anything I've ever seen in this part of the country. Very wide (5-inch edge) bit and marked "3 1/2" on the pole. I bought it as a camping axe but that thin edge isn't something you would want to use too close to the ground.

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    Old neighbor of mine whose name is actually Warren, has an old Warren. Mushroomed like you wouldn't believe, you could only see the word "Warren" on it. He said he bought it because it had his name on it

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    I went to visit my folks today and stopped in to visit a little local place that specializes in antique tools. Spotted a nice Warren for only $16 bucks (used but not abused) but my lady wouldn't let me get it since I was already getting an E&S Manufacturing Co. bush blade for my scythe.

    I doubt it'll still be there next time I go. Such is life--but there's ALWAYS something cool to grab and it's usually dirt cheap.


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    $16 you might not ever get back.

    They make more everyday......
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    Quote Originally Posted by FortyTwoBlades View Post
    I went to visit my folks today and stopped in to visit a little local place that specializes in antique tools. Spotted a nice Warren for only $16 bucks (used but not abused) but my lady wouldn't let me get it since I was already getting an E&S Manufacturing Co. bush blade for my scythe.

    I doubt it'll still be there next time I go. Such is life--but there's ALWAYS something cool to grab and it's usually dirt cheap.
    I bet you could double your money pretty easily...I'll bet you $32 you can double your money. (Stipulation to bet: I can be the buyer.)

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    Oh I know--I wanted it badly. But the lady must be appeased and between saving the axe or the scythe blade I went with the scythe blade. I'll be saving up some cash for this summer and I'm gonna' hit up some of the antique shops down near where a lot of the old Maine axe factories were. I'm hoping to find not just axes and scythes, but perhaps documents as well.

    Edit: I'll have my old man swing by the shop again next weekend. If it's still there then it's meant to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FortyTwoBlades View Post
    Edit: I'll have my old man swing by the shop again next weekend. If it's still there then it's meant to be.
    Now you're thinkin'!

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    I wish I had more to add. Here is my one piece of WATCo history:

    Puget Sound Falling pattern (ignore the broad axe and double bit):




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    thats fantastic operator thank you for taking the time... alot of great info there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by M3mphis View Post
    I wish I had more to add. Here is my one piece of WATCo history:

    Puget Sound Falling pattern (ignore the broad axe and double bit):



    i thought you said that you didnt have one

    whats that then, an optical illusion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bearhunter View Post
    i thought you said that you didnt have one

    whats that then, an optical illusion?
    You're right. I did say that in the other thread. I must be delusional. I have too many axe projects waiting for attention, like that Sager.

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