If obama had another son...

[quietmike]

It's not my "answer" it's what it is. The author of the article should be ashamed he/she ever penned such trash; I doubt, however, they have that ability much less the inclination.

Why do you think the media showed 5 year old pictures of treyvon and pics of zimmerman that looked like mugshots?
Why didn't the MSM release treyvon's tweet saying “Plzz shoot da #mf dat lied 2 u!”?
Why did NBC "edit" the 911 call made by zimmerman?
Why does the MSM say zimmerman had no injuries, when police can be seen examining the back of his head and an injury can be seen?
http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/po...w-head-injury/
Treyvon WAS breaking the law when he attacked zimmerman from behind, as zimmerman and the witness claims.

The long and short is that Treyvon, by all accounts, tried his best to act like a "gangsta", and he was treated as such by a neighborhood watch captain, who mentors black children, in a minority neighborhood, that has suffered a rash of burglaries, when treyvon attacked zimmerman from behind.

[jdm61]

I live in Florida and don't recall Tyson consistently being referred to as "Shawn" in the news reports.

The real reason Obama didn't comment on this case is because the system worked. Shawn Tyson was arrested and charged with the murders, tried on the charges and received a sentence of life in prison. Had Tyson, instead, been picked up by a gaggle of black cops, questioned, made a ridiculous "they made me kill them" defense and, subsequently, been released with no charges and the murder weapon then you might have some argument if Obama had not commented on the affair.



See above.



Except in this case Obama was not being opportunistic. He merely made a human comment designed to offer some small comfort regarding a tragedy. The people who would read some sort of intent at racial division into his comments are, at best, misguided.



Or, could it be the child, as is typical with children, is called by the first name and the adult is afforded the respect normally afforded adults and referred to as Mr. (insert murderer's last name here)?

[Codger_64]

As noted by the homicide investigator who referred the case for prosecution, there is a lot of Judge Zimmerman's son's story that does not add up. The son with a record of past violent incidents. Exactly who was a "thug" has not yet been decided.

[powernoodle]

The people who would read some sort of intent at racial division into his comments are, at best, misguided.

This story is 100% about liberals' grotesque obsession with race. During the same few days that this "news story" has been hyped by the liberal media and the liberal President, dozens of persons have been killed across America. But you don't see them on the evening "news", because those deaths can't be used to promote a liberal agenda of racial division.

Some things never change.

[timcsaw]

The real reason Obama didn't comment on this case is because the system worked. Shawn Tyson was arrested and charged with the murders, tried on the charges and received a sentence of life in prison. Had Tyson, instead, been picked up by a gaggle of black cops, questioned, made a ridiculous "they made me kill them" defense and, subsequently, been released with no charges and the murder weapon then you might have some argument if Obama had not commented on the affair.

He also didn't comment on THAT incident, and suggest that if he had a son, he'd look like the killer, because THAT wouldn't work as well to remind black people (right before an election) that he, and they, are all black. Obama's poll numbers are slipping with the "black base" so what better way to garner support from the black community than to compare yourself (with a theoretical son) to the black "kid" who was chased down and "murdered" by a "white guy" as reported by the "news".

Gotta' know how to take advantage of which "crisis" and spin it in your favor. Obama was doing well in his statement right up until he made the gratuitous comparison to remind blacks, that HE was also black. The most transparent President ever!

[lepto]

I live in Florida and don't recall Tyson consistently being referred to as "Shawn" in the news reports.

I almost never watch Fox News but I wonder if they have been referring to Trayvon as Mr. Martin or to Mr. Zimmerman as "George"?

As noted by the homicide investigator who referred the case for prosecution, there is a lot of Judge Zimmerman's son's story that does not add up. The son with a record of past violent incidents. Exactly who was a "thug" has not yet been decided.

I'm sure it was the one with gold teeth and tattoos. It couldn't be the one who did the killing.

This story is 100% about liberals' grotesque obsession with race. During the same few days that this "news story" has been hyped by the liberal media and the liberal President, dozens of persons have been killed across America. But you don't see them on the evening "news", because those deaths can't be used to promote a liberal agenda of racial division.

Some things never change.

So you see absolutely no reason why black folks might be sensitive to matters of race? Given the immediate facts of the shooting, you don't think blacks might be justifiably upset at the cavalier way in which the killer of an unarmed teen was turned loose complete with the firearm used in the killing? Is there anything the president could have said to a grieving family and an upset black community that you would not find untoward?

[skyhorse]

It's a shame that multitudes of teenage black males get murdered in the streets of America every year and it goes almost unnoticed.This single incident happens and the President goes on TV just to play the race card before the investigation by local law enforcement is even complete.I have no doubt this will backfire on him come election day.

[hostileuniverse]

I almost never watch Fox News but...

... when you do, it's always clips from the Rachel maddow show to show what racists work there, stay ignorant, my friend

[mctrinket]

These are both sad stories. I am glad the scumbag punk that executed those two poor drunken vacationers will be going away for life and I would have been fine with capital punishment for a crime of that nature.

The other case is much more complicated. It seems pretty obvious to me that this Zimmerman character is a mall ninja/wannabe LEO of the first rank and those kinds of people are very dangerous (see the amusing recent Seth Rogan comedy "Observe and Report"). They have no training and no authority; add to that a firearm and it's a recipe for disaster. Zimmerman was obviously following this kid for no other reason than he was a black kid. If he was concerned he should have called the police and let them handle it--instead he phoned 911 and completely disregarded what he was told to do and decided to take matters into his own hands.

I've seen photos of the dead kid. He looks about 110 lbs soaking wet. I guess mall ninja Zimmerman could not handle that and probably deserved a good whooping.

Zimmerman seems like just another coward with a gun playing at being a Big Man. He obviously has a long record of playing police officer and is most likely well-known to the LEO of the area for his dangerous behavior. I have also seen he was taken in for assaulting a police officer and court ordered to attend anger management therapy--so how does a guy like that get a conceal carry permit? Very odd.

[quietmike]

It seems pretty obvious to me that this Zimmerman character is a mall ninja/wannabe LEO of the first rank

Based on.....?

and those kinds of people are very dangerous (see the amusing recent Seth Rogan comedy "Observe and Report"). They have no training and no authority; add to that a firearm and it's a recipe for disaster.

So you have experience in evaluating people to determine how dangerous they are? If a homeowner contracts security (basically what a neighborhood watch is) that security has as much authority as the actual homeowner.

Zimmerman was obviously following this kid for no other reason than he was a black kid.

There's no way it's because he was a strange face in the neighbor hood that had been plagued by a rash of burglaries. Perhaps you haven't heard the UNEDITED 911 tape where zimmerman said he wasn't sure if he was black?

If he was concerned he should have called the police and let them handle it--instead he phoned 911

What number do you dial to call the police?

and completely disregarded what he was told to do and decided to take matters into his own hands.

In most cases a 911 dispatcher is not the police and there are no laws requiring one to obey the dispatcher. The dispatcher isn't on scene to evaluate the totality of the circumstances.

I've seen photos of the dead kid. He looks about 110 lbs soaking wet. I guess mall ninja Zimmerman could not handle that and probably deserved a good whooping.

As a police officer of 15 years, the worst fights I have been in are the smaller guys.

Zimmerman seems like just another coward with a gun playing at being a Big Man. He obviously has a long record of playing police officer and is most likely well-known to the LEO of the area for his dangerous behavior.

That would explain why the police let him go.

I have also seen he was taken in for assaulting a police officer and court ordered to attend anger management therapy--so how does a guy like that get a conceal carry permit? Very odd.

He obviously wasn't convicted for that charge as it is a felony, and would prevent him from owning a gun. I have found no evidence of anger management classes. Have a link?

[Codger_64]

The police let him go because the procecuting attorney rejected the homicide investigator's recommendation to prosecute. Maybe his Daddy the Judge had a word with the prosecutor? The previous charge was pled down from resisting arrest with violence to resisting arrest without violence. Daddy again? We don't really know at this point.

[lepto]

... when you do, it's always clips from the Rachel maddow show to show what racists work there, stay ignorant, my friend

Nope, I don't watch Rachel with any regularity although I do think she puts on a good show. I catch various newsfeeds in an effort to stay, somewhat, informed. If I see something that interests me I try to flesh it out with more research on the net or Lexis-Nexis. From a recent study I seem to recall Fox viewers didn't come off as very well informed so I think I'll stick with my method. Now that you mention her, I might try to catch Rachel a little more as she is easy on the eyes and damned smart to boot. Certainly she isn't a bubble-head like Sarah Palin or Sean Hannity.

[Noctis3880]

So you have experience in evaluating people to determine how dangerous they are? If a homeowner contracts security (basically what a neighborhood watch is) that security has as much authority as the actual homeowner.

Could you expand more on this? I didn't find any mention of any additional authority the Neighborhood Watch might have on the site, though I did read that the original reason it was formed was because people were outraged that a dozen witnesses did nothing to help while one Kitty Genovese was raped in the 1960s. I would have written Zimmerman off as a gung-ho officer wannabe before his position as Neighborhood Watch was revealed, but looking at the information available, it didn't seem as though Zimmerman did anything illegal by following and/or confronting Martin if he held the equivalent position of security. And unless autopsy can find wounds on Martin that would suggest a provocative attack from Zimmerman(say, a punch to the face), it would seem clear from Zimmerman's injuries that he was attacked first. Unless someone is suggesting that the man was devious enough to lay on the wet ground(on his back) and bash his own head against the ground and somehow injure his own nose in an attempt to fabricate "evidence" to support his story.

[quietmike]

Could you expand more on this?

Basically if a homeowner or business owner contracts with security, the rights and privileges of ownership flow through the contract (depending on its language) to the security personnel. So a security guard has as much right to defend a property as the actual owner. I will say that I am basing this on the operation of law in Tennessee and it may be different in other states, but Florida's stand your ground law adds even another layer to Zimmerman's right to be where he was.

[hostileuniverse]

been told, directly, by the authorities to refrain from pursuit of the "suspect"

When have you ever heard dispatch tell a caller to "go get 'em!" ? I've heard a lot of 911 tapes and they always advise people to wait for the police, don't get involved... While our world burns down around us... Have you ever heard of a "citizens arrest"? Let me ask you this... Do you think Zimmerman had the right to question troyan about who he was and what he was doing in the neighborhood?

[Triton]

The real reason Obama didn't comment on this case is because the system worked.

How do you know that the system didn't work in the other case? Oh that's right, because al sharpton told you so. The real question of course is why is the obama involving himself in EITHER situation which are small time local matters... or would be if some folks weren't trying to make political hay out of one case and not the other.

Except in this case Obama was not being opportunistic.

Right. It's a well known fact that he much like superman always involves himself in and comments upon cases where there are miscarriages of justice.... except for all the other times when he hasn't...

[Triton]

Why is that your answer to every situation? Have you considered counseling?

Based on the carrying on we are seeing around the country it seems to be a common liberal complaint. In there scary world there are racists everywhere... and they have GUNS.

[jdm61]

Are you sure that "daddy" was even a judge in Florida? I have seen the term magistrate used to describe what he used to do for a living (in New York, IIRC) and we don't have such a position in the state system here in Florida. If he had been a Federal magistrate, I suspect that the media would have mentioned that. As for the reduction of charges, that is quite common, particularly with that charge. He was also allegedly charged with the offense of battery on a police officer which is a another charge thrown around willy nilly here in Florida as an "ad on" to make sure that people know who is in charge. To give you an idea of what these charges entail, resting arrest without violence likely means that you mouthed off to the cop while he was cuffing you.

The police let him go because the procecuting attorney rejected the homicide investigator's recommendation to prosecute. Maybe his Daddy the Judge had a word with the prosecutor? The previous charge was pled down from resisting arrest with violence to resisting arrest without violence. Daddy again? We don't really know at this point.

[Codger_64]

An ABC affiliate in Florida posted a statement from Kristi Wright, with the Department of Legislative and Public Relations in Virginia, which read:

“Robert J. Zimmerman served as a full-time magistrate from 2000-2006. Please be advised that in Virginia magistrates are judicial officers, but they are not considered “judges” and do not possess trial jurisdiction. More detailed information on the role of the magistrate in Virginia is available on Virginia’s Judicial System Website.”

This was in Manassas, Orange County Virginia.

And then there is this, but in my understanding protection orders do expire.

Zimmerman, according to the AP, was under a domestic protection order. No one under such an order can have weapons in their home, much less carry weapons. A domestic protection order, such as the one issued against Zimmerman, has nationwide standing in limiting, not only carry permits but purchase as well.

I was under the understanding that a past accusation (or is it conviction?) of domestic violence precluded one from gun ownership under federal law. I could be misunderstanding that.

[jdm61]

Ah. Viginia is a Commonwealth, so they do things a bit differently. My uncle is an elected magistrate in the Commonwealth of Kentucky, but he sits on the Fiscal Court, which runs the unincorporated parts of the county. In most other states that are not using the old commonwealth system, we would call him a county commissioner or councilman. The head of the Fiscal Court is called the Chief Judge, but he is more like an elected county manager or mayor. Confusing, no?

This was in Manassas, Orange County Virginia.

And then there is this, but in my understanding protection orders do expire.



I was under the understanding that a past accusation (or is it conviction?) of domestic violence precluded one from gun ownership under federal law. I could be misunderstanding that.