Who wants to take Eric Holder's vote?

[hostileuniverse]

Voter ID in any state that wants it is just a matter of time.

That is discriminating against the poor, who are mostly minority, which is racism, which is illegal, ergo... No voter rules!

[Nordic Viking]

Propositioning a child is illegal. Asking a poll worker IF a name is on a list isn't (otherwise these people would have been charged with a crime... they haven't been as far as I am aware). A subtle difference, but a critical one.

They purposely misled the booth attendants to believe they were handing a ballot to the person on the list. All they have to do in the future is ask people if they are so and so, that would make that trick useless.

Voter ID in any state that wants it is just a matter of time.

i suspect nobody is going to care again until 2016.

[ttoney83]

They purposely misled the booth attendants to believe they were handing a ballot to the person on the list. All they have to do in the future is ask people if they are so and so, that would make that trick useless.

No one was mislead. A simple question was asked and it was demonstrated that all one has to do is claim an identity and the ballot station staff will hand over the ballot. And no, a simple asking if the person is who they say they are does not make the trick useless to those who actually wish to carry on with the fraud and throw the election. So long as there is no requirement to show proof of who one IS in the form of a picture ID, this sort of fraud is easily performed, and just as easily fixed with an ID.

The voting machines are another matter, those are much more problematic.

[Nordic Viking]

No one was mislead. A simple question was asked and it was demonstrated that all one has to do is claim an identity and the ballot station staff will hand over the ballot.

They didn't just ask a simple question. They also asked for an address and if the person was a registered Democrat and the undercover person led them to believe that they were the person in question.

And no, a simple asking if the person is who they say they are does not make the trick useless to those who actually wish to carry on with the fraud and throw the election. So long as there is no requirement to show proof of who one IS in the form of a picture ID, this sort of fraud is easily performed, and just as easily fixed with an ID

Many states ask you to provide a utility bill or hunting / fishing license which could easily be found in the trash and it seems that could also be an easy way to circumvent positive ID.

[timcsaw]

No one was mislead. A simple question was asked and it was demonstrated that all one has to do is claim an identity and the ballot station staff will hand over the ballot. And no, a simple asking if the person is who they say they are does not make the trick useless to those who actually wish to carry on with the fraud and throw the election. So long as there is no requirement to show proof of who one IS in the form of a picture ID, this sort of fraud is easily performed, and just as easily fixed with an ID.

The voting machines are another matter, those are much more problematic.

Agreed... A simple question was asked, and the poll worker made all the mistakes and "assumed" they were talking to the person who's name was asked about ("Do you have an Eric Holder on the list?"). From this point forward, the poll worker makes mistakes. The "Mole" answers all of the poll worker questions without ever saying "I" or "My" etc. but instead says, "Yes, that is THE listed address", and NOT "Yes that is MY address.". They also answer "Yes, Democrat is how IT is registered." and NOT, "Yes, I am a Democrat."... They are very careful about their process.

Of course it's important to keep in mind that if a person really IS going to try to vote for a dead person, or impersonate another person, they will say instead; "Hi, I'm Eric Holder, see me on your list?", "Yes that is MY address." and "Yes, I am a registered Democrat." then they would take the ballot and vote fraudulently (they wouldn't care about legal or illegal).

The people doing this "sting" are not trying to ACTUALLY commit voter fraud (just show how easy it is), but a REAL person would say whatever was necessary to ACTUALLY cast a real fraudulent vote... and as shown, it isn't hard to do.

I still have a question that no one has answered; If a person wants to vote but claims not to have an ID to present at the poll on voting day, how did they register to vote in the first place where ID is REQUIRED to do so? What happened to the ID (and proof of residency) they used when they registered to vote?

[Triton]

They purposely misled the booth attendants to believe they were handing a ballot to the person on the list. All they have to do in the future is ask people if they are so and so, that would make that trick useless.

You are totally ignoring the point, that is that without some sort of common sense check to insure that someone is who they say they are voter fraud is far too easily perpetrated... more easily then say buying a bottle of booze or a pack of cigarettes which is patently absurd.

In this case they could certainly ask the person if they were so and so... and the fraudster could just as easily lie and say they were. If they are planning on engaging in voter fraud breaking the law obviously doesn't bother them.

i suspect nobody is going to care again until 2016.

My guess would be 2014 when the next election is held. Voter fraud after all is something to worry about with elections.

[ttoney83]

They didn't just ask a simple question. They also asked for an address and if the person was a registered Democrat and the undercover person led them to believe that they were the person in question.

False. Watch the videos. No one was led to believe anything, they stated facts and never CLAIMED to be ANYONE in particular.

Many states ask you to provide a utility bill or hunting / fishing license which could easily be found in the trash and it seems that could also be an easy way to circumvent positive ID.

Which is why a standard drivers or walkers ID should be required. These are easily enough obtained by legal citizens of the United States. The ONLY reason for not requiring one is desire to commit fraud.

[ttoney83]

Agreed... A simple question was asked, and the poll worker made all the mistakes and "assumed" they were talking to the person who's name was asked about ("Do you have an Eric Holder on the list?"). From this point forward, the poll worker makes mistakes. The "Mole" answers all of the poll worker questions without ever saying "I" or "My" etc. but instead says, "Yes, that is THE listed address", and NOT "Yes that is MY address.". They also answer "Yes, Democrat is how IT is registered." and NOT, "Yes, I am a Democrat."... They are very careful about their process.

Of course it's important to keep in mind that if a person really IS going to try to vote for a dead person, or impersonate another person, they will say instead; "Hi, I'm Eric Holder, see me on your list?", "Yes that is MY address." and "Yes, I am a registered Democrat." then they would take the ballot and vote fraudulently (they wouldn't care about legal or illegal).

The people doing this "sting" are not trying to ACTUALLY commit voter fraud (just show how easy it is), but a REAL person would say whatever was necessary to ACTUALLY cast a real fraudulent vote... and as shown, it isn't hard to do.

Truth!

I still have a question that no one has answered; If a person wants to vote but claims not to have an ID to present at the poll on voting day, how did they register to vote in the first place where ID is REQUIRED to do so? What happened to the ID (and proof of residency) they used when they registered to vote?

IF ID is required to register, then the dead person who registered must have presented one, but to vote as that person, no further proof is required to identify the voter as that person. Makes no sense to me that IF an ID was required to register, that it would not be required to prove that person was the one picking up the ballot......Makes me wonder just how long this sort of fraud has been going on.

[Nordic Viking]

False. Watch the videos. No one was led to believe anything, they stated facts and never CLAIMED to be ANYONE in particular.

It's called lying by omission. I doubt they could use not explicitly saying anything as a defense for misrepresenting a voter. The only thing they have in their favour was their intent was not to commit fraud but to highlight how easily it could be done. Hopefully for him, Eric Holder is not in a vindictive mood.

This is the same guy who filmed himself at Acorn and then edited in himself wearing a Pimp uniform after the fact.

Which is why a standard drivers or walkers ID should be required. These are easily enough obtained by legal citizens of the United States.

I totally agree. I just don't think that in some cases people are concerned about fraud as much as they are concerned about who suddenly started voting.

[quietmike]

I totally agree. I just don't think that in some cases people are concerned about fraud as much as they are concerned about who suddenly started voting.

If you mean Mickey Mouse, the Dallas Cowboys, untold dead people, and illegal aliens, you are correct.

[timcsaw]

If you mean Mickey Mouse, the Dallas Cowboys, untold dead people, and illegal aliens, you are correct.

You forgot SpongeBob.

Dude... NEVER forget SpongeBob!