The politics of being too wealthy.

[OliverH]

I love how that website says that Obama was the son of a goat herder. LMAO. Yeah, a goat herder that had scholarships to University of Hawaii and Harvard.:roll eyes:

What's amusing about your take on his situation is that Obama, Sr., is exactly the kind of narrative that conservatives normally love to beat everybody over the head (usually in the context of arguing that the social safety net and other social programs aren't really necessary and keep people weak): Look at this guy who started from nowhere on the back side of beyond, and how through dint of talent and hard work seized the opportunities that arose and made it. If he'd ended up a conservative businessman, I bet those philanthropic Koch brothers would have a program to make sure that framed copies of his photograph hung in the classrooms of every inner city school. As it is, well, we see how much regard right-wingers have for the wrong kind of "movin' on up" story.

[quietmike]

What's amusing about your take on his situation is that Obama, Sr., is exactly the kind of narrative that conservatives normally love to beat everybody over the head (usually in the context of arguing that the social safety net and other social programs aren't really necessary and keep people weak): Look at this guy who started from nowhere on the back side of beyond, and how through dint of talent and hard work seized the opportunities that arose and made it. If he'd ended up a conservative businessman, I bet those philanthropic Koch brothers would have a program to make sure that framed copies of his photograph hung in the classrooms of every inner city school. As it is, well, we see how much regard right-wingers have for the wrong kind of "movin' on up" story.

If Obama's father had accomplished this in the States, he would be declared "evil" by the left, and attacked for not paying "his fair share".

[Triton]

Ron Paul is the ONLY true conservative running.....In that sense, anyone who does not support him is arguably not truly conservative. Just sayin

So far as I know Paul is only running for the Republican nomination... He may be more conservative than others running for that nomination but he's also got a lot more loon in him than they do which is why people aren't voting for him.

Be that as it may, the real support is for Ron Paul.

You mean the same Paul that can't win a single Republican primary? The "real" support may be for him but apparently there isn't enough of it.

Those who oppose him tend to be those who submit to the brainwashing of the Main Stream Propaganda Machine which repeatedly fills their heads with the Mantra "he's unelectable." And so, the zombies repeat; he's unelectable, he's unelectable, he's unelectable, he's unelectable.....Judging by the thousands he draws to his rallies, vs. the hundreds the others struggle to get, he is imminently electable and if there were no shenanigans he would be the next President.

You can blame it on whatever you want but at the end of the day Paul is and will remain the congressman from an insignificant district somewhere in Texas. He will not be president. Voting for him accomplishes nothing (well maybe it makes you feel better I don't know). So you can be pragmatic and vote for someone that can win or you can be idealistic and irrelevant. Your call.

[Triton]

What's amusing about your take on his situation is that Obama, Sr., is exactly the kind of narrative that conservatives normally love to beat everybody over the head (usually in the context of arguing that the social safety net and other social programs aren't really necessary and keep people weak): Look at this guy who started from nowhere on the back side of beyond, and how through dint of talent and hard work seized the opportunities that arose and made it.

By this logic conservatives would laud Mao, Lenin, Minh and a host of others as well...

[timcsaw]

By the way, Ron Paul draws votes from BOTH sides of the aisle, so his running would not necessarily detract from either side more than the other.

So would Ross Perot and he won't be an available or viable option either.

[Triton]

Personally I would like to know what the cut off is to being "too rich." Who gets to decide? Kerry for instance apparently wasn't "too rich" nor was Kennedy. Yet it seems Romney is.... Or maybe this is just another silly self serving liberal narrative.

[timcsaw]

That's the point Triton, NEITHER Romney NOR Obama most closely represents me. I recognize BOTH as being employed by the same globalist interests so BOTH are domestic enemies of the Constitution and this Republic.....

ETA: Both have also demonstrated this in their actions and statements. The only difference is that Romney has not yet had the opportunity to demonstrate his treason on a National scale. But he will soon enough.

But one or the other WILL "represent" you whether you like that reality or not. It's just the way things are; In or out; black and white; one or the other; left or right; no middle ground. I'll take my stand (for what it's worth) and be glad to take a stand for others who abdicate.

[ttoney83]

So far as I know Paul is only running for the Republican nomination... He may be more conservative than others running for that nomination but he's also got a lot more loon in him than they do which is why people aren't voting for him.

Again, just as the Main Stream Propaganda Machine says and those under its control parrot.

You mean the same Paul that can't win a single Republican primary? The "real" support may be for him but apparently there isn't enough of it.

I have presented the truth of manipulations in another thread, and more is coming out even in some of the Main Stream Propaganda outlets. Facts are facts Triton, delegates are being denied to Ron Paul by disobedience to GOP rules in County after County and State after State. It is documented real time by those who are there.

You can blame it on whatever you want but at the end of the day Paul is and will remain the congressman from an insignificant district somewhere in Texas. He will not be president. Voting for him accomplishes nothing (well maybe it makes you feel better I don't know). So you can be pragmatic and vote for someone that can win or you can be idealistic and irrelevant. Your call.

If pragmatic means siding with evil and the destruction of this Republic, I will NOT be pragmatic. It is PRAGMATISM which will ultimately destroy this Republic by voting for the presumed "lesser of two evils." Will you fight for the Constitution and the Republic, or will you vote it away.
Your call.

I personally will not be identified as having been complicit in our Republic's destruction. Although, it may well be too late already....

[MVF]

Ron Paul is the ONLY true conservative running.....In that sense, anyone who does not support him is arguably not truly conservative. Just sayin

Be that as it may, the real support is for Ron Paul. Those who oppose him tend to be those who submit to the brainwashing of the Main Stream Propaganda Machine which repeatedly fills their heads with the Mantra "he's unelectable." And so, the zombies repeat; he's unelectable, he's unelectable, he's unelectable, he's unelectable.....Judging by the thousands he draws to his rallies, vs. the hundreds the others struggle to get, he is imminently electable and if there were no shenanigans he would be the next President. Not that that necessarily means the end to America's difficulties as there is a whole Congress of Globalist lackey's to contend with, but the point is that those who no longer pay any attention to what comes out of the no longer credible Main Stream Propaganda Machine know that the only hope for America's survival as a Sovereign Nation, and the survival of our Constitution is Ron Paul.

First you say he draws support from both sides of the aisle (show me!), then you say he's the only true conservative - which is it? Or are you saying that an equal number of Democrats as Republicans would vote for a "true conservative"? If he continues to run, as close as this race is, all it would serve to do is hand the election to Obama.

You complain that those who won't support him are buying into some Main Stream Propaganda Machine telling them he's unelectable? How about every single poll? Paul supporters need to quit drinking the kool-aid and come back to reality. Politics has been called the art of the possible, and Ron Paul getting elected never has and never will fit that description.

Any conservative who doesn't vote for Romney is casting a vote for Obama. Just as in the last election, those who decided they were going to "teach the party a lesson" and not vote for McCain because he wasn't their favorite candidate, have the power to give the election to the Democrats. How did you like the results you got for the last 3 years? Do you really want to see what Obama could do to the Constitution and our country in 4 more years?

If Ron Paul is any kind of a patriot he will tell his supporters to vote for Romney - anything else, judged by his own harsh standards, would be treason! How's that for some hyperbole?

[ttoney83]

But one or the other WILL "represent" you whether you like that reality or not. It's just the way things are; In or out; black and white; one or the other; left or right; no middle ground. I'll take my stand (for what it's worth) and be glad to take a stand for others who abdicate.

That is why this Republic is finished already. I don't know why y'all can't grasp that Romney may as well be Obama's twin, only by another Mother. It makes ZERO difference if you vote for Romney or Obama. The Globalists have us by the short and curlies, hence, the only option will be revolution or tyranny. It's coming regardless of whether Obama wins again or Romney takes over. The American citizenry has lacked the moral and intellectual ability to keep this Republic for many MANY decades and the Globalist Cancer has spread too deeply to eradicate without killing the patient. IMO, this Republic is already dead.

[timcsaw]

Any conservative who doesn't vote for Romney is casting a vote for Obama. Just as in the last election, those who decided they were going to "teach the party a lesson" and not vote for McCain because he wasn't their favorite candidate, have the power to give the election to the Democrats. How did you like the results you got for the last 3 years? Do you really want to see what Obama could do to the Constitution and our country in 4 more years?

"Unfettered".... Don't forget unfettered. Obama will be unfettered by any concerns about seeking reelection and will be free to run amuck.... If you didn't like the last 4 years, you won't want to watch another 4 under Obama because it won't be pretty.

[OliverH]

First you say he draws support from both sides of the aisle (show me!), then you say he's the only true conservative - which is it? Or are you saying that an equal number of Democrats as Republicans would vote for a "true conservative"? If he continues to run, as close as this race is, all it would serve to do is hand the election to Obama.

You complain that those who won't support him are buying into some Main Stream Propaganda Machine telling them he's unelectable? How about every single poll? Paul supporters need to quit drinking the kool-aid and come back to reality. Politics has been called the art of the possible, and Ron Paul getting elected never has and never will fit that description.

Any conservative who doesn't vote for Romney is casting a vote for Obama. Just as in the last election, those who decided they were going to "teach the party a lesson" and not vote for McCain because he wasn't their favorite candidate, have the power to give the election to the Democrats. How did you like the results you got for the last 3 years? Do you really want to see what Obama could do to the Constitution and our country in 4 more years?

If Ron Paul is any kind of a patriot he will tell his supporters to vote for Romney - anything else, judged by his own harsh standards, would be treason! How's that for some hyperbole?

I don't mean to speak for ttoney, but there is a political persuasion that doesn't define "conservative" according to what's on offer at the mainstream GOP. This "true conservatism" is more socially libertarian and tends to be far less militaristic, advocating an isolationist--or to be a bit kinder, "non-interventionist"--foreign policy. It's not exactly true that Paul draws people from "both sides of the aisle," since most people who are in the room where the aisle is are already committed or at least somewhat affiliated to a party, and thus have already drunk one flavor of partisan Kool-Aid or the other. It is true, however, that Paul's particular combination of stances will attract people who might otherwise by default choose to side with one party or the other, depending on which issues they ascribe more importance to. Paulistas who deplore the social-welfare aspects of government, and the wealth redistribution that is a necessary means and end, might have otherwise gone Republican. Those who think that the war on drugs and our various imperial military enterprises are madness might otherwise have their lot in with Democrats.

[ttoney83]

First you say he draws support from both sides of the aisle (show me!), then you say he's the only true conservative - which is it? Or are you saying that an equal number of Democrats as Republicans would vote for a "true conservative"? If he continues to run, as close as this race is, all it would serve to do is hand the election to Obama.

It is both. There are "conservative" Democrats, just as there are "liberal" Republicans. Heck, all you have to do is look at Romney to realize that he is no "conservative."

You complain that those who won't support him are buying into some Main Stream Propaganda Machine telling them he's unelectable? How about every single poll? Paul supporters need to quit drinking the kool-aid and come back to reality. Politics has been called the art of the possible, and Ron Paul getting elected never has and never will fit that description.

Who owns the Propaganda Assets who conduct the Polls MVF? You do realize that at LEAST 85% of all media (propaganda) assets are owned by just a handful of individuals (corporations) don't you. So, my assertion stands, the Main Stream Propaganda Machine tells you he is unelectable, and you believe them.

Any conservative who doesn't vote for Romney is casting a vote for Obama. Just as in the last election, those who decided they were going to "teach the party a lesson" and not vote for McCain because he wasn't their favorite candidate, have the power to give the election to the Democrats. How did you like the results you got for the last 3 years? Do you really want to see what Obama could do to the Constitution and our country in 4 more years?

False! They are casting a vote for whomever they are voting for. Until you can grasp the fact that there is ZERO difference between Romney and Obama on policy you will never grasp that a Romney presidency will result in the continued subversion of the Constitution and destruction of the United States, just as an Obama administration would/has.
Case in point, and one of the reasons many Democrats support Ron Paul: OBAMA....Did he do ANYTHING significantly different regarding the Neo Conservative preemptive war policy? NO! He attacked Libya and is now pushing for war with Iran and Syria, just as the Neo Cons stated was their goal back in the early 1990's through PNAC.
Did he do ANYthing different regarding the bailout of the Banks? NO! The bailouts begun under Bush, were continued under Obama. After all, Obama was paid quite a bit from the financial sector for the favor.....

There was no difference between Bush and Obama. There will be no difference between Obama and Romney. I'm done giving these Globalists the benefit of the doubt.

If Ron Paul is any kind of a patriot he will tell his supporters to vote for Romney - anything else, judged by his own harsh standards, would be treason! How's that for some hyperbole?

He will probably drop out at some point. The point of his running is to awaken the American People to certain issues which are the cause of much, or most of America's problems today.
My main focus and hope is on the Congress. It is there that we need to get people elected who will take their Oath of Office to support and defend the Constitution seriously and ACT upon it. That is another reason I'm not too concerned about either Obama or Romney getting elected.

Ultimately, EVERYONE in the U.S. needs to disconnect from their Television News and start REALLY looking at what's going on around them. Sound bytes don't tell you ANYthing about reality.

[OliverH]

"Unfettered".... Don't forget unfettered. Obama will be unfettered by any concerns about seeking reelection and will be free to run amuck.... If you didn't like the last 4 years, you won't want to watch another 4 under Obama because it won't be pretty.

I love the delusion underlying this particular boogeyman story. Obama didn't grab your guns, burn your churches, expropriate your houses and bank accounts, and force your children into classrooms where the teachers are all black Muslim communist homosexuals when he had the chance. Why? Because he wanted to be re-elected!

[timcsaw]

That is why this Republic is finished already. I don't know why y'all can't grasp that Romney may as well be Obama's twin, only by another Mother. It makes ZERO difference if you vote for Romney or Obama. The Globalists have us by the short and curlies, hence, the only option will be revolution or tyranny. It's coming regardless of whether Obama wins again or Romney takes over. The American citizenry has lacked the moral and intellectual ability to keep this Republic for many MANY decades and the Globalist Cancer has spread too deeply to eradicate without killing the patient. IMO, this Republic is already dead.

And if that revolution happens, I'd much prefer a "Romney" at the wheel, rather than an "Obama" hiding in the trunk in the fetal position repeating "Present".

I really do understand your perspective, and sympathize, but I can't just give up. I WON'T just give up. I guess I'm a classic realist.

[ttoney83]

"Unfettered".... Don't forget unfettered. Obama will be unfettered by any concerns about seeking reelection and will be free to run amuck.... If you didn't like the last 4 years, you won't want to watch another 4 under Obama because it won't be pretty.

With the legislation which has been passed lately, and that which is being proposed, there will be no fetters left to fetter a would be dictator. I'm looking in to some new rumored legislation which would give the IRS the power to revoke your passport and even your right to bear Arms for back taxes.

The Globalists are on the verge of victory and they won't give it up without a serious fight. If a miracle occurred and Paul was elected, the Federal Reserve Charter runs out in 2013, so Paul would probably be assassinated before then any way since he would no doubt veto any bill presented to renew the Charter.

On the other side of that coin, it may be that the objective of creating a single global currency will be implemented by that time, per the IMF White Paper entitled "Reserve Accumulation and International Monetary Stability" so there may be no more need to renew the Charter as it would just be a branch of the Global Central Banking system.

[timcsaw]

My main focus and hope is on the Congress. It is there that we need to get people elected who will take their Oath of Office to support and defend the Constitution seriously and ACT upon it. That is another reason I'm not too concerned about either Obama or Romney getting elected.

In this^ we agree 100%! THAT'S where the "money" is. Hold the house and TAKE the Senate.

[ttoney83]

And if that revolution happens, I'd much prefer a "Romney" at the wheel, rather than an "Obama" hiding in the trunk in the fetal position repeating "Present".

I really do understand your perspective, and sympathize, but I can't just give up. I WON'T just give up. I guess I'm a classic realist.

The only thing left for you to do then is to get rid of the pee in your cup. I have, that's why neither Romney or Obama are left in my cup.

[quietmike]

I love the delusion underlying this particular boogeyman story.

Obama didn't grab your guns,

Because Eric Holder is a bumbling idiot and got caught in the act.

burn your churches,

Not burn, but attempting to subvert their beliefs though force of government is just as destructive.

expropriate your houses and bank accounts,

His policies have caused rampant inflation and debt, so the effect is similar to confiscation.

and force your children into classrooms where the teachers are all black Muslim communist homosexuals when he had the chance.

Would they really be much worse than the current teachers union?

Why? Because he wanted to be re-elected!

So you don't see a change in his stances and demeanor in the past few months?

[timcsaw]

The only thing left for you to do then is to get rid of the pee in your cup. I have, that's why neither Romney or Obama are left in my cup.

Touché!

In reality, I'm neither a "Glass half empty" or "Glass half full" kinda' guy. I look at every glass as being completely full (half filled with water the other half filed with air).