like you i have the Schrade Walden Bird's head 171UH and a later one serialized and then one without the serial number. these knives are hefty and feel good in the hand. i got the Craftman to kinda round out the collection of them.
I think you are right about the 165 brass butt and the 171 being of the same series. The box you show "Craftsman American Eagle Collection", is the same as for my "Sportsman's Knife" shown in my OP.
Looking through TESS (electronic trademark search at USPTO), we find #72329620 "American Eagle" registered to Imperial Knife Associated Companies.
Date filed: June 10, 1969.
Registration Date: March 3, 1970
First used in commerce: May 22, 1969
So that gives us a begining date of the series. And explains the blue box and the hinged box, both of which date to that time period under Schrade Walden. We've seen the slip top boxes used on late SW 165OT's, though with wood grain coverings instead of printed leatherette used on the Sears American Eagle series. The first fold down boxes appeared in the early to mid seventies under the Schrade Cutlery name.
Thanks Michael. It's the very specific details like those you are providing that i hoped would be posted in this thread for future reference.
Here is another example of the American Eagle Series Custom Bear Skinner (171UH). This one is from the COSRUS site archive of Arnold's knives in the Collectors' Corner. This makes two of two seen with the fold down box.
As best I can make out, it is Sears number 6-73655. Please correct me if I am wrong. "6" would be the Sears department number. The actual text on the printed insert is interesting. It states that there are three bowie type knives in this series. Also that the "holsters" are top grain cowhide.
So what is the third? Note also the ad for the Craftsman Honesteel.
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Are they referring to the 165 as a "Bowie type" ?
The "Bowie Hunting Knife" is the Buffalo Bill type big FB.
Then 171 is the third ?
Yes, evidently both the 165 and 171 are "Bowie type" knives. As we have deduced that those two (with elephant hide impressed sheaths) were both of this later AE series, what was the third? The BB166 itself was earlier. As were the knives with Delrin handles based on the BB166 (which had a walnut handle). Did they also make the BB166 variant with the elephant hide impressed sheath for this later series of three? I've not yet seen one. Nor one with the fold down box or impressed sheath. Could it be a 153UH instead? The 171 and 165 both have screw retained pommels like the 153.
Michael, The BB166 is called "Bowie Hunting Knife" in the ad from the Sears catalogue i posted in my OP.
Are you thinking the 3rd "Bowie" was not this one but a knife that came out some time later than the BB166 ?
As the insert pictured above which mentions 3 "Bowie type" knives is titled "Sears Craftsman American Eagle Collection " and the BB166 which they call "Bowie Hunting Knife" and is one of the Sears Craftsman American Eagle Collection, this must be one of the 3 "Bowie type" knives referred to ?
I suppose we will only know for sure when we see a third pattern that can be definately placed in the series represented by the two shown, either NIB or in advertisements. "Bowie" is a marketing term. Like a "folding Bowie". Or the H-15 marked "Bowie". It really isn't very descriptive, though we today think of fixed blade hunting knives when we see the term used.
Speaking of ads, did the seller ever respond with the Sears catalog issue that American Eagle ad was scanned from?
Last edited by Codger_64; 05-09-2012 at 08:47 PM.
I have this set of knives also. My dad was a Sears employee back then. The only difference is my box for the Deerslayer has a hinged top and different color. I am interested in selling these if someone might be interested.
I hope these help. Thanks.
Thanks for showing the boxes! If one of them is for the hidden-tang version of a 165OT fixed-blade knife it is the first time I have gotten a look at a box. That "Deerslayer," for Craftsman, is of course not the "Deerslayer" sold under Schrade's own marque, which is a 15OT, instead.
Always looking for larger Schrade Cutcos, cattle knives & lovely old bone.
I don't know much about the knives. They have been in storage for the better part of 35 years. Will put better pics of the knives on later. I'm technologically challenged. Have to get help from my son. Ha!
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