ID dagger from flea market with one marking.

[cf1969]

Picked this up a few days ago. Really heavy, and seems well made:





The only mark:





Mall ninja piece? Thanks in advance!

[Pipeman]

Hi There
I can't tell you who made it but it's a trailing point hunter not a dagger which is double edged.

Regards

Robin

[cf1969]

Hi There
I can't tell you who made it but it's a trailing point hunter not a dagger which is double edged.

Regards

Robin

Hi. Yes any information would be great. The thing feels solid in hand. Now, both sides of this are sharpened. Not by me, so maybe previous owner did.

Thanks again.

[kvaughn]

Looks like some kind of homemade hybrid fighting knife.--KV

[anvilring]

Folks; that's not even a trailing point hunter....


It's a modern interpretation of a middle eastern (NOT a Jambiya...) or perhaps Malaysian fighting knife called a ?... It reminds me of a Kris that's missing a curve or two. I don't have my books on Malay knives here at work but maybe someone can shed some light on the style... It IS a well made knife from what I can see..

[gbuskirk]

Does it have a tapered tang, as it looks in one photo?
What is the third character in the marking? Is it double-struck; Is it a "Y"? A double-struck "N"?
The notch at the butt-end...is it a cord-cutter? What's it for?
What is the handle material? Was it textured in-place? Is that why the tang has the same texture?

[cf1969]

Thanks all. Its style certainly caught my eye when I saw it, and again it's hefty. I just put it on a scale and it's almost 3000g.

[cf1969]

Looks like a double struck Y:



Not sure what this is for:





Not 100% sure on wood:



Tang is tapered.

[not2sharp]

It looks a little like a khanjarli.





n2s

[anvilring]

The scales look like desert ironwood.... as for the little notch, I'm back to asking what style it represents: many knives have a certain feature open to interpretation but for the style/type MUST be there.

For instance the "sea eagle" motif on Maylay krises pommels, and their attendant blade and scabbard "claws and feathers". The all have them; stylized or not.

And that "notch" in the pommel of Shazwa's (I know! bad speller!) that looks kinda like a butterfly wing from the side and so on.

That notch looks like its their for a reason, symbolicly.

[cf1969]

The scales look like desert ironwood.... as for the little notch, I'm back to asking what style it represents: many knives have a certain feature open to interpretation but for the style/type MUST be there.

For instance the "sea eagle" motif on Maylay krises pommels, and their attendant blade and scabbard "claws and feathers". The all have them; stylized or not.

And that "notch" in the pommel of Shazwa's (I know! bad speller!) that looks kinda like a butterfly wing from the side and so on.

That notch looks like its their for a reason, symbolicly.

Dang, now I'm more curious then ever!

[not2sharp]

... that "notch" in the pommel of Shazwa's (I know! bad speller!) that looks kinda like a butterfly wing from the side and so on.

That notch looks like its their for a reason, symbolicly.

Either that, or it's a cap lifter.

n2s

[CWL]

It looks like either a bottle opener or a broken thong hole.

Perhaps the maker of the knife was a tobacco pipe smoker, or pipe maker. The stippling on the wood is what pipe smokers would call "rustication" and is a common decorative method on pipes.

[anvilring]

"Dang, now I'm more curious then ever!"

Well don't think I know too much: I'm sure about what the blade "isn't" and I'm "guessing" as to the purpose/relevance of the notch.

From the perspective of a knifemaker; it looks to be a very well made knive and, the stippled scales and tang are to procure a good grip so those advocating a fighting knife as it's main design (from it's maker's standpoint) may well be correct.

Edit: Something just occured to me.... more that once I've found myself adding a "design component" to a knife, not by design, but by accident.

So here's a plausible story... your maker made a cool fighter. He/she put a lanyard hole in the tang and stippled all the outer edge of the tang. The maker, while installing the scales and or lanyard tubing, broke, or chipped, that God awful hard scale material AFTER the scale pins were in place.

Now how do you save a deal like that? How'bout cut out the chip and steel that formed the lanyard hole in the first damn place and smooth it all in to form a, uh, .... native deity circumcission "notch"!

[ron_m80]

I figured it was a broken tong hole. That tapered tang was probably the feature that did the tong hole in.

I don't think stippling is something I am all that familiar with, how far back can that be seen used to this degree? It looks like it's fairly new to me. And though I don't like the knife, it looks all over good for what it is.

[TomTerrific]

Thanks all. Its style certainly caught my eye when I saw it, and again it's hefty. I just put it on a scale and it's almost 3000g.

Did you slip the decimal point? 3,000g is 6.6 pounds, really hefty.

300g would be about 10.6oz, still hefty.

[cf1969]

Yep my bad, it's 295 on the nose, sorry!

[anvilring]

I figured it was a broken tong hole. That tapered tang was probably the feature that did the tong hole in.

I don't think stippling is something I am all that familiar with, how far back can that be seen used to this degree? It looks like it's fairly new to me. And though I don't like the knife, it looks all over good for what it is.

Hmmm... well Ron; I'm not really sure. I can tell you that "checkering" was the premium grip assistance of choice for well over 100 years. I've seen "stippled" front straps on 1911A1 match pistols (courtesy of the US Army) as early as the 50's so I will "guess" that stippling replaced checkering when that skill became lost to available craftsman capable of the task for a reasonable fee.

It's interesting that Bernard posted this excellent bit complete with some great pix of one of Bob Loveless's early knives with hand cut checkering... very nice indeed.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sh...ng-stag-handle



Interesting to see Bob's careful attention to the user's hand: totally made for a right hander... including the angle of the finger cutouts and where the right hand thumb would rest when pushing down hard against what was to be cut, both on the blade spine and against the antler material itself.


The OP's knife looks very "80's" to me but I can't really say why.

m

[cf1969]

Again I thank all of you for taking the time to reply.

[gbuskirk]

Thanks all. Its style certainly caught my eye when I saw it, and again it's hefty. I just put it on a scale and it's almost 3000g.

6.6 pounds? Wow
Doh, didn't see the subsequent posts! 295g. Sorry

To redeem this post, I will suggest the notch would have made for use as a pot-handle for a canteen cup.