Another friend is losing his job

[Trent Rock]

Didn't everyone have to read this seminal work on statistics in their Stats class?
How to Lie with Statistics
Darrell Huff and Fifty Years of How to Lie
with Statistics
BG has a point, sorta
He is right in the sense that there are ways to deceive with statistics
But, the numbers are printed right there
So, it kind of makes the "visual skewing" moot
(If they had no axes or bar labels, that would be diff)
It's your job to interpret them which ever way you feel
And you could nit pick pretty much every graph made by man..imho

Nordic Viking posted the links to the raw data
Make your own graph and show us the proper way to make an honest graph
Does having a graph with allegedly deceitful axes change the results?
Gee Dub=1.08
Obama=3.60
Conclusion=Joe Schmoe has 333% more misery under Obama than Bush 43....

I love the misery index
I'm thinking of making one with my beloved real personal disposable income metric included in the formula

PM===>
You should read the Huff book for your Path To Economic Enlightenment Journey Of Reflection
It' a pretty small book..you could read it in a few hours
Here ya go
http://rapidshare.com/files/11050686..._Huff_1954.pdf
Hit the "Save File to...
...your computer."
Button

[timcsaw]

Actually, the bigger problem with Democrats is that they come into power promising all sorts of reforms (many of which give me the willies), but then they don't deliver. And always, always, always they blame the mean old Republicans for their failures. To the liberal ideologues, this kind of thing plays well. But to everyone else, it makes Democrats look like weak-kneed wimps who can't govern and who go around blaming someone else for being lame. After that comes contempt from the American voter.

Right now I know there's a lot of unhappiness amongst liberals over Obama's failures. That doesn't mean they're going to suddenly start voting for Republicans, or even stay home, but if they think Obama has been wildly ineffective, what do you imagine the independents are thinking?

This is what I believe a lot of them are thinking: "That guy is too wimpy to do the job. Fire him."

They had 2 full years where they could have done anything they wanted, and what did they do? Hint; It's currently before the SCOTUS.

[timcsaw]

Didn't everyone have to read this seminal work on statistics in their Stats class?
How to Lie with Statistics
Darrell Huff and Fifty Years of How to Lie
with Statistics
BG has a point, sorta
He is right in the sense that there are ways to deceive with statistics
But, the numbers are printed right there
So, it kind of makes the "visual skewing" moot
(If they had no axes or bar labels, that would be diff)
It's your job to interpret them which ever way you feel
And you could nit pick pretty much every graph made by man..imho

Nordic Viking posted the links to the raw data
Make your own graph and show us the proper way to make an honest graph
Does having a graph with allegedly deceitful axes change the results?
Gee Dub=1.08
Obama=3.60
Conclusion=Joe Schmoe has 333% more misery under Obama than Bush 43....

I love the misery index
I'm thinking of making one with my beloved real personal disposable income metric included in the formula

PM===>
You should read the Huff book for your Path To Economic Enlightenment Journey Of Reflection
It' a pretty small book..you could read it in a few hours
Here ya go
http://rapidshare.com/files/11050686..._Huff_1954.pdf
Hit the "Save File to...
...your computer."
Button

It's the colors that threw me!

[timcsaw]

Yes, and you can also say they own the tax cuts for the middle-class and would have ended the tax cuts for the rich if they could have.

(That issue will be coming along again and is quite repairable after the election gets us a few more good legislators.)

Fair enough.

Now, back to this question that you may have overlooked (or are avoiding).

Just so we are clear, I will ask you for a clarification; Are you saying that the NUMBERS used to create the graph are fabrications/false?

[bulgron]

They had 2 full years where they could have done anything they wanted, and what did they do? Hint; It's currently before the SCOTUS.

Oh, absolutely.

The guy could have spent those two years ramming jobs reforms through. He could have done everything possible to encourage US companies to hire in the US, and to stop shipping jobs over seas. Instead, he spent those two years fighting for a boondoggle of a health care bill that was way too complicated, way too expensive, completely ineffective (in fact, it resulted in most people's insurance bills going UP), and probably unconstitutional to boot.

Two years. Gone. Just like that.

Meanwhile, this summer is going to be full of loud, violent, smelly OWS protestors who will be reminding the American people how Obama didn't do anything to reign in the fat-cat banker types who "crashed our economy." To a liberal ideologue, these protests will probable be a reminder of why they should vote for Obama again. To reasonable people, those protests are going to raise strong questions as to why they should bother with Obama at all.

[Nordic Viking]

Nordic Viking posted the links to the raw data
Make your own graph and show us the proper way to make an honest graph
Does having a graph with allegedly deceitful axes change the results?
Gee Dub=1.08
Obama=3.60
Conclusion=Joe Schmoe has 333% more misery under Obama than Bush 43....

I was wondering how the first graph is a depiction of what it states as its data source. You obviously have not checked them and have opted to take some random blogger's opinion as verbatim. As for the misery index, it seems the people are a little more miserable on average than under GW Bush but LESS miserable than under Reagan and Bush Sr.

[Triton]

Yes it is. Obama's deficits are 3x higher than the worse Bush ever produced.

...and he's done it in less than half the time. Here we thought the obama wasn't an over achiever...

[bulgron]

...and he's done it in less than half the time. Here we thought the obama wasn't an over achiever...

He's also managed to go that whole, entire time without a budget. With management skills like that, who needs oversight?

[BG42EDGE]

He's also managed to go that whole, entire time without a budget. With management skills like that, who needs oversight?

Well, Bush had a budget, and he sent us into a recession that was a near-depression.

Maybe some should ponder that.

[bulgron]

Well, Bush had a budget, and he sent us into a recession that was a near-depression.

Maybe some should ponder that.

And if Bush was on the ticket, I would.

But he isn't.

Something else to ponder.

[quietmike]

Well, Bush had a budget, and he sent us into a recession that was a near-depression.

Maybe some should ponder that.

Congress writes the budget, not the president.

If one compares the highs and lows in the economy with who controlled congress they would notice a pattern.

[timcsaw]

Well, Bush had a budget, and he sent us into a recession that was a near-depression.

Maybe some should ponder that.

Bush and the republicans passed a number of budgets (and spent to much IMO)... but then the Dems. took over in the last years of Bush and spent even more, even faster. Bush & Co. were actually headed back in the right direction until those last couple years when the dems. came along.

[BG42EDGE]

Bush & Co. were actually headed back in the right direction until those last couple years when the dems. came along.

Actually, Bush & Co. were stumbling along in the early part of a recession and then their borrowed time ran out.

The Democrats had to pick up the pieces and do the bailouts.

[Preacher Man]

Didn't everyone have to read this seminal work on statistics in their Stats class?
How to Lie with Statistics
Darrell Huff and Fifty Years of How to Lie
with Statistics
BG has a point, sorta
He is right in the sense that there are ways to deceive with statistics
But, the numbers are printed right there
So, it kind of makes the "visual skewing" moot
(If they had no axes or bar labels, that would be diff)
It's your job to interpret them which ever way you feel
And you could nit pick pretty much every graph made by man..imho

Nordic Viking posted the links to the raw data
Make your own graph and show us the proper way to make an honest graph
Does having a graph with allegedly deceitful axes change the results?
Gee Dub=1.08
Obama=3.60
Conclusion=Joe Schmoe has 333% more misery under Obama than Bush 43....

I love the misery index
I'm thinking of making one with my beloved real personal disposable income metric included in the formula

PM===>
You should read the Huff book for your Path To Economic Enlightenment Journey Of Reflection
It' a pretty small book..you could read it in a few hours
Here ya go
http://rapidshare.com/files/11050686..._Huff_1954.pdf
Hit the "Save File to...
...your computer."
Button

Thanks Trent, will do. The title alone grabbed my attention.

Edited to add: It is a short book and it seems to be an easy and entertaining read. I never though someone could write about statistics and make it seem entertaining, but then I haven't read much about statistics either.

[timcsaw]

Actually, Bush & Co. were stumbling along in the early part of a recession and then their borrowed time ran out.

The Democrats had to pick up the pieces and do the bailouts.

You need to take a closer look at that budget chart again and note the direction things were going until the Dems. took control. The numbers don't lie.

[MVF]

The debt is debt caused by the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and unfunded wars plus the cost of cleaning up his mess.

Dependency is by far greatest among the wealthy, who depend on our bloated and overfunded military to protect their sleazy and oppressive financial interests around the world......they cost us TRILLIONS of dollars and have for many years.

Obama has done well with the mess he inherited from Bush and a Congress that has refused to work for progress.

We can fix that if more of us come up with a Godly sense of ethics, morality and justice.

Since there seems to be no way you will admit that everything is not Bush's fault, and don't seem to notice that the Congress that refused to work for progress was a Democratic one, let's just focus on your last line.

How can you talk about a Godly sense of ethics, morality and justice and be an Obama supporter? He is the most two-faced, out and out lying, unethical politician I can remember (I know you want to bring up Clinton right about now, but I think the O has him beat). The only one of his campaign promises I can think of that he kept is about to overturned by the Supreme Court (and he was a professor of Constitutional law?). He promised transparency and has been the least transparent President, he's been caught making backroom deals, and has surrounded himself with the immoral and unethical without batting an eyelash -even when confronted.

He bald-faced lied to get into office (Rev. Wright anyone?) and has been an embarrassment to this country. All he has really done since he's been in office is to continue to campaign for this election- he's spent more time on television than the last three Presidents put together. He thinks "I told them to get to work" is leadership - at least that's what he said at the time.

Or did you mean that if we come up with enough people with a Godly sense of ethics, morality and justice, we could defeat him?

[quietmike]

(and he was a professor of Constitutional law?)

Nope, just a senior lecturer.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/oba...law-professor/

[BG42EDGE]

Since there seems to be no way you will admit that everything is not Bush's fault, and don't seem to notice that the Congress that refused to work for progress was a Democratic one, let's just focus on your last line.

How can you talk about a Godly sense of ethics, morality and justice and be an Obama supporter? He is the most two-faced, out and out lying, unethical politician I can remember (I know you want to bring up Clinton right about now, but I think the O has him beat). The only one of his campaign promises I can think of that he kept is about to overturned by the Supreme Court (and he was a professor of Constitutional law?). He promised transparency and has been the least transparent President, he's been caught making backroom deals, and has surrounded himself with the immoral and unethical without batting an eyelash -even when confronted.

He bald-faced lied to get into office (Rev. Wright anyone?) and has been an embarrassment to this country. All he has really done since he's been in office is to continue to campaign for this election- he's spent more time on television than the last three Presidents put together. He thinks "I told them to get to work" is leadership - at least that's what he said at the time.

Or did you mean that if we come up with enough people with a Godly sense of ethics, morality and justice, we could defeat him?

The Congress that didn't work didn't have enough Democratic votes to overcome Republican maneuvering (filibuster, etc.). It only takes a small number to keep things from moving forward.

How many Obama lies can you post here to back your claims?

How many broken campaign promises?

Are "backroom deals" something illegal or wrong in some way? If so, how so?

Name all these immoral and unethical people he has "surrounded himself with."

[MVF]

The Congress that didn't work didn't have enough Democratic votes to overcome Republican maneuvering (filibuster, etc.). It only takes a small number to keep things from moving forward.

How many Obama lies can you post here to back your claims?


How many broken campaign promises?

Are "backroom deals" something illegal or wrong in some way? If so, how so?

Name all these immoral and unethical people he has "surrounded himself with."

And yet they passed Obamacare, the most unpopular piece of legislature I've ever seen.

Seriously, are you that in the dark or do you just like to hear me type? Go here - http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies

Hmm, I should really let this go until tomorrow when I can do it justice, but how about I take the easy way out and let you read 4 pages of them here - http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...romise-broken/

Yeah, there was nothing wrong with that little open mic blunder with the Russian - "See me after the election when I really don't have to care about what the people that elected me think"

Just look down the list -how many of them were in trouble for not paying their taxes? How many of them come from that evil Wall Street?

[Nordic Viking]

Hmm, I should really let this go until tomorrow when I can do it justice, but how about I take the easy way out and let you read 4 pages of them here - http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...romise-broken/

If you change the URL to http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me.../promise-kept/ you get 9 pages of promises kept.

4 pages of promises broken vs. 9 pages of promises kept. You do the math (or get Trent Rock to make you a graph)