Why are most political posts on BF outside this subforum against democrats?

[Hog Feet]

If you make more than $9/hr and don't need assistance like Food share and state insurance to make sure your family is taken care of, its easy to talk down on those who do. I myself take advantage of both those programs and so does just about everyone else I know but we also pay taxes and our fair share. I personally hate those who intentionally never work and just live off the govn't handouts but if they want to live that crappy lifestyle that's their choice. It's not like they're living flush off your tax money-a $650/mo check and some food stamps ain't the highlife.

I think this answers the OP question very well. Thanks!

[Codger_64]

I don't need a barista to tell what kind of caffemachialattissime to drink!

Well, not being a lawyer, your aren't qualified to read the bar list.

[Esav Benyamin]

Well, not being a lawyer, your aren't qualified to read the bar list.

I don't know how to answer that.

After all those years working for the Postal Service, I still don't understand why the Czech is in the male.

[Fanglekai]

If liberals don't like guns, no one is forcing them to buy one. If they want to support folks who don't want to work, fine, no one is stopping them.

For me the animosity comes from them telling me how I should live my life and spend my money because of what they believe.

Live your own life, make your own choices, and accept your own consequences.

So then abortion, all drugs, prostitution, and gay marriage should be legalized? I'm fairly certain the republican party wouldn't agree to that. Your logic doesn't sound very conservative at all.

[Esav Benyamin]

So then abortion, all drugs, prostitution, and gay marriage should be legalized? I'm fairly certain the republican party wouldn't agree to that. Your logic doesn't sound very conservative at all.

So then ...

So then, nothing. Abortion, drugs, prostitution, and gay marriage don't do anything for me, certainly don't help protect me from the ravages of an unfair universe.

The Second Amendment directly refers to personal armament. Where in the Constitution are abortion, drugs, prostitution, and gay marriage discussed?

[quietmike]

So then abortion, all drugs, prostitution, and gay marriage should be legalized? I'm fairly certain the republican party wouldn't agree to that. Your logic doesn't sound very conservative at all.

I would agree with all except abortion as it is the only one that harms a third party who has no choice in the matter.

I am much closer to libertarian than true conservative

[timcsaw]

It's OK to force gun control... on other peoples guns (after I've got mine).

It's no big deal if I use every entitlement program that exists... "so what?"... it's "fair" that I use them because I pay "fair" taxes.

It's OK if other people live a "crappy life style", but don't suggest that I am living a "crappy life style", etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, ad nauseam.

In short...it's OK for me, but not for thee...

[jdm61]

It's OK to force gun control... on other peoples guns (after I've got mine).

It's no big deal if I use every entitlement program that exists... "so what?"... it's "fair" that I use them because I pay "fair" taxes.

It's OK if other people live a "crappy life style", but don't suggest that I am living a "crappy life style", etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, ad nauseam.

In short...it's OK for me, but not for thee...

You forgot the part about "A Republican (Mark Foley) who does the same kind of things that Barney Frank does should be run out of town on a rail, not given committee chairs.

[Fanglekai]

So then ...

So then, nothing. Abortion, drugs, prostitution, and gay marriage don't do anything for me, certainly don't help protect me from the ravages of an unfair universe.

The Second Amendment directly refers to personal armament. Where in the Constitution are abortion, drugs, prostitution, and gay marriage discussed?

What part of the constitution forbids gay marriage, drug use, and prostitution? Those things don't hurt you. You can choose to not partake. Guns are weapons designed to kill. I'm pretty sure a well regulated militia is necessary for defense of the country, not crackpot gun owners with no training who think they deserve to own tanks and surface to air missiles.

Conservatives want limits on things. Liberals want limits on things.

[Hog Feet]

Guns are weapons designed to kill. I'm pretty sure a well regulated militia is necessary for defense of the country, not crackpot gun owners with no training who think they deserve to own tanks and surface to air missiles.

Liberals want limits on things.

...like the Constitution.

[uyotg]

To the occasional answers to my questions, thanks--I'm still here, and I've read them. I just haven't responded because the side discussions are moving way too fast for me.

[philwar]

The billionaires that finance anonymously

Like Soros et al?

.....yet my immigrant grandfather who somehow made it to Harvard is?

What makes a person elitist is not how much money he makes. It's his attitude towards 'the masses.'

Also quite curious is how a political party can get people to vote AGAINST their own self interests financially.

Really? Contrary to what you may think, there are still large segments of the population who will vote according to their principles, and if that clashes with their financial interests, then so be it.

Long live INFI.

That I agree with.

[brewcitymike]

You guys need to remember that if the men who wrote the constitution(when it was an COMPLETELY different country with different ideals) lived today with the people of 'nowadays' they would have had a second thought about the right to bear arms. I didn't even want to touch on the close minded conservative views on abortion and gay marriage. Some of you have had said that you don't like liberals cuz they want to tell you how to live...then who the hell has the right to tell two people in love how they should live or a woman what she should do with HER body and life??? You can't have it both ways-either everyone can be told what to do about everything or no one about anything. You want to own a gun do defend your self, then gays should be able to get wed without driving across the country, and a woman who doesn't want her life ruined or to ruin the life of a child she doesn't want and can't handle should have the right to abort w/o hassle. I will say that I do agree very much so with republicans on immigration. Considering that I live in the same neighborhood I moved to in 1987 which then was all polish and german and now now its all hispanic/black and guess what...crime has skyrocketed around here in the last decade and the homes/yard look like crap. I'm not by any means racist I just think that there needs to come a time when we 'close the door' before we end up like china. At least china is full of chinese-born citizens and not illegal aliens. They are the one's who shouldn't be allowed to get foodstamps, welfare etc, not U.S. born citizens. No other country in the world would be dumb enough to shell out billions of dollars to people who are in their country ILLEGALLY! And tax breaks for immigrants is a joke too. There's your tax money being wasted-not on my food stamps. I have a few republican views but for the most part the majority of them(politicians) are just close minded, pseudo-religious hillbillies who should not be allowed to decide anything for anyone-ever.

I also want to add that I don't come to this sub forum often but when I do I enjoy the mostly intelligent debate that occurs. Cuz no matter what we believe about abortion, guns, gay, politics, whatever...in the end we all LOVE knives and that's what really matters. So I'm off to some other forum cuz I'm ready for my daily dose of bladed discussion

[quietmike]

You guys need to remember that if the men who wrote the constitution(when it was an COMPLETELY different country with different ideals) lived today with the people of 'nowadays' they would have had a second thought about the right to bear arms.

Do you have any evidence to support this? In the past, civilians had the equivalent, or superior weapons, than the government.

I didn't even want to touch on the close minded conservative views on abortion and gay marriage. Some of you have had said that you don't like liberals cuz they want to tell you how to live...then who the hell has the right to tell two people in love how they should live or a woman what she should do with HER body and life??? You can't have it both ways...

Protecting life is a constitutional function of government. If you want to talk about having it both ways, how about a fetus being "potential life" if the mother and a doctor wants to kill it, suddenly becoming "actual life" if a third party kills it (rating a murder charge). Can you name any other instance where life is defined by who wants to end it?

[Hog Feet]

You guys need to remember that if the men who wrote the constitution(when it was an COMPLETELY different country with different ideals) lived today with the people of 'nowadays' they would have had a second thought about the right to bear arms. I didn't even want to touch on the close minded conservative views on abortion and gay marriage. Some of you have had said that you don't like liberals cuz they want to tell you how to live...then who the hell has the right to tell two people in love how they should live or a woman what she should do with HER body and life??? You can't have it both ways-either everyone can be told what to do about everything or no one about anything. You want to own a gun do defend your self, then gays should be able to get wed without driving across the country, and a woman who doesn't want her life ruined or to ruin the life of a child she doesn't want and can't handle should have the right to abort w/o hassle. I will say that I do agree very much so with republicans on immigration. Considering that I live in the same neighborhood I moved to in 1987 which then was all polish and german and now now its all hispanic/black and guess what...crime has skyrocketed around here in the last decade and the homes/yard look like crap. I'm not by any means racist I just think that there needs to come a time when we 'close the door' before we end up like china. At least china is full of chinese-born citizens and not illegal aliens. They are the one's who shouldn't be allowed to get foodstamps, welfare etc, not U.S. born citizens. No other country in the world would be dumb enough to shell out billions of dollars to people who are in their country ILLEGALLY! And tax breaks for immigrants is a joke too. There's your tax money being wasted-not on my food stamps. I have a few republican views but for the most part the majority of them(politicians) are just close minded, pseudo-religious hillbillies who should not be allowed to decide anything for anyone-ever.

I also want to add that I don't come to this sub forum often but when I do I enjoy the mostly intelligent debate that occurs. Cuz no matter what we believe about abortion, guns, gay, politics, whatever...in the end we all LOVE knives and that's what really matters. So I'm off to some other forum cuz I'm ready for my daily dose of bladed discussion

Oh, where to begin...








Oh yeah....you're welcome

[timcsaw]

You guys need to remember that if the men who wrote the constitution(when it was an COMPLETELY different country with different ideals) lived today with the people of 'nowadays' they would have had a second thought about the right to bear arms. I didn't even want to touch on the close minded conservative views on abortion and gay marriage. Some of you have had said that you don't like liberals cuz they want to tell you how to live...then who the hell has the right to tell two people in love how they should live or a woman what she should do with HER body and life??? You can't have it both ways-either everyone can be told what to do about everything or no one about anything. You want to own a gun do defend your self, then gays should be able to get wed without driving across the country, and a woman who doesn't want her life ruined or to ruin the life of a child she doesn't want and can't handle should have the right to abort w/o hassle. I will say that I do agree very much so with republicans on immigration. Considering that I live in the same neighborhood I moved to in 1987 which then was all polish and german and now now its all hispanic/black and guess what...crime has skyrocketed around here in the last decade and the homes/yard look like crap. I'm not by any means racist I just think that there needs to come a time when we 'close the door' before we end up like china. At least china is full of chinese-born citizens and not illegal aliens. They are the one's who shouldn't be allowed to get foodstamps, welfare etc, not U.S. born citizens. No other country in the world would be dumb enough to shell out billions of dollars to people who are in their country ILLEGALLY! And tax breaks for immigrants is a joke too. There's your tax money being wasted-not on my food stamps. I have a few republican views but for the most part the majority of them(politicians) are just close minded, pseudo-religious hillbillies who should not be allowed to decide anything for anyone-ever.

I also want to add that I don't come to this sub forum often but when I do I enjoy the mostly intelligent debate that occurs. Cuz no matter what we believe about abortion, guns, gay, politics, whatever...in the end we all LOVE knives and that's what really matters. So I'm off to some other forum cuz I'm ready for my daily dose of bladed discussion

Wow... just "WOW!"

[Codger_64]

I seldom get into discussions about abortion for good reason. My birth mother elected not to kill me and my siblings even though she did not want us. We were adopted by loving, caring parents. Had "mom" killed us, my children and their children would not exist. Zuzu's petals never would have wound up in Jimmy Stewart's pocket. "But it's her body"? Do a DNA test of a baby (or whatever you want to call it to dehumanize her or him). It is an individual human being with it's own unique DNA. It can't live on it's own? Neither can most born children below five or ten years of age, and just barely then. I've heard all of the rhetoric for years from people who support the right of a mother to "choose" to kill their baby. I still don't buy it.

[Kiah]

Edit: Wrong button.

[timcsaw]

I seldom get into discussions about abortion for good reason. My birth mother elected not to kill me and my siblings even though she did not want us. We were adopted by loving, caring parents. Had "mom" killed us, my children and their children would not exist. Zuzu's petals never would have wound up in Jimmy Stewart's pocket. "But it's her body"? Do a DNA test of a baby (or whatever you want to call it to dehumanize her or him). It is an individual human being with it's own unique DNA. It can't live on it's own? Neither can most born children below five or ten years of age, and just barely then. I've heard all of the rhetoric for years from people who support the right of a mother to "choose" to kill their baby. I still don't buy it.

I'm with you. Frankly, it isn't worth my time to try to convince a "murderer", that they should NOT choose to "murder".... as the saying goes; "it just annoys the pig."

[brewcitymike]

A fetus is not defined as a person or a 'life' by law and that's why even taking one out of the woman and killing it can't be called murder unless it took a breath by it's own power. People who aren't ready to have kids or who don't want them will most likely ruin the kid's life if they keep it because they won't love it and it will make them miserable and choosing to carry it full term could throw the woman's life out of order even if her choice was to give it away. Maybe abortion could be eliminated in general if the unwanting mother was allowed to sell the baby to a couple who can't conceive. If the choice was pay $400 for an abortion or get paid thousands to carry it until birth, I bet abortion would cease to be. I know its a different point of view but it does make some sense. I have daughter myself, and when me and my ex first went to a clinic and verify the + we got from a home test, we told them we wanted an abortion because we were both out of work drug addicts living in my mom's basement at the time with no intention of getting clean for anything or anyone so it would have been the only choice cuz adoption was out due to the fact that the amount of drugs and booze we consumed would have probably killed the kid anyway or made it too messed up for anyone to want to adopt, however the test came back neg(twice) which really surprised us since the home test said pos.(twice). But of course we had to sit and watch an hour of 'abortion' videos or should I say anti abortion video since they're really just meant to scare you into keeping it. But anyway after the second test results, we went home. About 7 weeks later she was now w/o her 3rd 'monthly friend' and starting to get a tiny bump so we went to another clinic for a more thorough test including a blood test and sure enough-14 weeks pregnant!! In that short time we had started to get clean and decided to keep it. Plus we were still broke, very close to the limit on being able to do an abortion anyway. Low and behold the clinic who gave us the two negs ended up being one of the fake clinics run by closet religious freaks who due whatever they can to steer you away from aborting and had we put off going to that 2nd clinic for a couple more weeks we would have been s.o.l, had we still wanted the abortion. So I have a pretty big personal stance on abortion and despite being a daddy to a beautiful little girl I still fully believe that the girl/woman can do what she wants with her body. If I had my way the father would have a lot more power of the choice for abortion too. And as for the holy rollers who were willing to trick us into bringing a baby into our drugged out poverty stricken lifestyle, I can only bet that they were conservatives. Either way their loony asses should be locked up for fraud. What kind of ideal is "hey the baby has lives in a sh@# hole w/ some junkies who hardly notice it but at least it's alive" A child living with that will only continue that cycle itself in the future and we can do without more of that in this country.