Obama v. Romney: A $6 trillion difference

[timcsaw]

...the disastrous mess that Bush created...

Say it again and again and it STILL WON'T BE TRUE, as I have shown time and time again. You keep lobbing this up, and I'll keep smashing it back in your face.

1) "Senator" Obama voted for the mess he "inherited" and is making worse.
2) The Bush administration spent too much money but was moving in the right direction until the Dems took over during the last Bush years.

[philwar]

Of course not. Cutting the military ENTIRELY is not on the agenda. Everybody knows that we must craft a balanced program of wise cuts and tax increases over a period of many years to get the disastrous mess that Bush created fixed.

My point is that EVEN cutting the DoD budget completely won't solve the deficit. Which really is all you need to know to come to the conclusion that it is ENTITLEMENT SPENDING that has to be cut - drastically. There is nothing else that will work.

[Triton]

My point is that EVEN cutting the DoD budget completely won't solve the deficit. Which really is all you need to know to come to the conclusion that it is ENTITLEMENT SPENDING that has to be cut - drastically. There is nothing else that will work.

Yes, I'm mystified as to how our liberal buddy thinks if completely cutting defense spending and taking ALL the money of the wealthy won't fix the problem, just partially cutting defense spending and confiscating only some wealth will fix the problem? The answer partial measures won't work any better than full measures. Entitlement spending has to be reduced that's the ONLY answer.

[Triton]

How about a third choice?

We provide equal education for all.

We provide equal health care for all.

We provide equal job opportunity for all.

We provide safe housing and adequate food and clothing and dental and medical care and recreationg for all who can't work to make a living so they too can have a good life.

How about a fourth choice. We let people provide for themselves based upon their own economic activities and reduce the role of government as much as possible. This seems far more likely to work then the fantasy utopia that you are advocating.

[philwar]

How about a third choice?

We provide equal education for all.

We provide equal health care for all.

We provide equal job opportunity for all.

We provide safe housing and adequate food and clothing and dental and medical care and recreationg for all who can't work to make a living so they too can have a good life.

I know Hog Feet beat me to it but: I assume with 'we' you mean Government. Education has been tried. For decades. It's costing more and more and the results are getting more disastrous every year. 4th highest spending per student, ranking is low and sinking.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/educati...-ranking_N.htm

Scores from the 2009 Programme for International Student Assessment to be released Tuesday show 15-year-old students in the U.S. performing about average in reading and science, and below average in math. Out of 34 countries, the U.S. ranked 14th in reading, 17th in science and 25th in math.

Health care is already unaffordable and it would almost be worth it to see what would happen if Obamacare ever gets implemented.

And who is Government to provide job opportunity?? Again, they tried that, all over the world, and the Chinese and the Russians have decided, after decades of poverty that it doesn't work.

Wouldn't it be nice if you accompanied these brain farts with some actual suggestions on how they should be implemented? For example, how should Government provide more job opportunities?

[Skimo]

We must not forget that military cuts result in unemployed folks, civilian and military. Bg42 is for reducing the military... That he is no longer in, he has his retirement, now he wants to bite the hand that fed him for 20+ years, and will continue to feed him till he dies.

I'm no economist, but I've got a pretty good idea of what makes a buck, and i know how to lose money.

I think that at a LOCAL level outside of the government, we should take care of the infirm, the fatherless, widows and the mentally ill. It is an old idea that is tossed out by the greedy.

I'm all for eliminating every single government program that is extraneous.

Freeze spending and for petes sake, abolish the tax code and replace it with a flat tax, the only fair tax is a flat tax. Make the government work on 10%.

The liberal philosophy is taking charity by force, it completely undermines the very idea of charity. As we know, charity begins with the idea that I myself should help.... The antithesis of the current form of governmental wealth redistribution programs.

[eyeeatingfish]

How about a third choice?

We provide equal education for all.

We provide equal health care for all.

We provide equal job opportunity for all.

We provide safe housing and adequate food and clothing and dental and medical care and recreationg for all who can't work to make a living so they too can have a good life.

So you want the government to just go and hand out money basically? (free food/housing being equivalent to free money.)

How does the government even provide equal job opportunity? THe government cannot control the economy, it cannot make businesses do well enough to have more jobs. And what is equal? You want a janitor to make the same as a doctor? You want a person with a bad work ethic to be guaranteed the same chance at a specific job as a person with a good work ethic?

The government already provides education for all from 5 to 18 years old. It provides reduced cost college too. Most schools provide darn good education in this country, it isn't their fault if parents don't support their kids, or kids don't come to school. With school you get out of it what you put into it. Great kids can come out of public schools when they work.

This still isn't really a third choice it is just the second choice I offered in more detail. I guess you did answer my question though, you want to just hand out money.

[eyeeatingfish]

What is "equal" health care? Who pays for it?

What is "equal job opportunity for all"? How do you propose doing this?

I just realized, these two cannot exist together. If you had equal employment for doctors that would mean that any doctor would have to be given a job whether they were a good doctor or a bad doctor. But then equal health care cannot exist because you cannot get equal care if the doctors are not equally good at their job.

[quietmike]

I just realized, these two cannot exist together. If you had equal employment for doctors that would mean that any doctor would have to be given a job whether they were a good doctor or a bad doctor. But then equal health care cannot exist because you cannot get equal care if the doctors are not equally good at their job.

Such logical jibber-jabber is just a red herring.

[timcsaw]

Such logical jibber-jabber is just a red herring.

And probably some sort of "personal attack" and therefor, "ignore list" worthy.

[jdm61]

Don't forget "racist" and "fascist"

And probably some sort of "personal attack" and therefor, "ignore list" worthy.

[timcsaw]

Don't forget "racist" and "fascist"

Shame on me... how could I have forgotten those?

[BG42EDGE]

I just realized, these two cannot exist together. If you had equal employment for doctors that would mean that any doctor would have to be given a job whether they were a good doctor or a bad doctor. But then equal health care cannot exist because you cannot get equal care if the doctors are not equally good at their job.

You just realized wrong.

Equal job opportunity doesn't mean "that any doctor would have to be given a job whether they were a good doctor or a bad doctor."

It means all have an equal opportunity to get a job.

Your statement is misleading and disingenuous......and wrong.

[BG42EDGE]

So you want the government to just go and hand out money basically? (free food/housing being equivalent to free money.)

Nobody said that.

It's called a straw man. You invent a fake (and ridiculous) statement and then argue against it.

This is why I put so many people on ignore. I don't have time to respond to such stuff. I'd like to avoid putting so many on ignore.

[Skimo]

I totally agree, colleges should accept students based on grades and not race.

[Skimo]

Nobody said that.

It's called a straw man. You invent a fake (and ridiculous) statement and then argue against it.

This is why I put so many people on ignore. I don't have time to respond to such stuff. I'd like to avoid putting so many on ignore.

Wait.... What are entitlement programs again?

[BG42EDGE]

We must not forget that military cuts result in unemployed folks, civilian and military. Bg42 is for reducing the military... That he is no longer in, he has his retirement, now he wants to bite the hand that fed him for 20+ years, and will continue to feed him till he dies.

No, BG earned what he gets and BG wants to CUT an extremely bloated and overfunded military, not bite its hand.

I'm no economist, but I've got a pretty good idea of what makes a buck, and i know how to lose money.

Not exactly a reputation that would make you an authority in these matters.

[Skimo]

No, BG earned what he gets and BG wants to CUT an extremely bloated and overfunded military, not bite its hand.





Not exactly a reputation that would make you an authority in these matters.

Earned.... Are you stating that you should be able to keep what you earned?!

Hardly an expert, but my life doesn't require me to learn macro economics or any other sort. I was stating that i know how to be employed, and that i know how to spend faster than I can earn. Having said all that, i view the economy being driven (at times by proxy) by a society that hasn't learned to spend wisely.

[BG42EDGE]

Are you suggesting that I should NOT be able to keep what I earned.

[BG42EDGE]

Hardly an expert, but my life doesn't require me to learn macro economics or any other sort. I was stating that i know how to be employed, and that i know how to spend faster than I can earn. Having said all that, i view the economy being driven (at times by proxy) by a society that hasn't learned to spend wisely.

I've noted repeatedly that many of the experts around here seem to get their expertise from a PhD in watching Fox News, so I naturally was heartened to see someone like yourself who actually says something like the above.

The bloated worldwide military is clearly a grand example of spending gone amok.