Peanut butter or jelly?
These are the truly important questions.
I think my problem is that I wasnt looking at it as a knife made with premium materials to high quality standards. I was looking at it as $400 MSRP taiwan knife. Thats all I saw. And for a period all I was open to discussing. And I will fully admit. If this was a Taiwan knife, at $200 MSRP with a street price of $120 but had Aus8 blade steel and a steel frame handle then I probably would have not even batted an eyelash. I think my shell shock was from the fact that I just wasnt prepared to see a $400MSRP on an imported Taiwan Knife yet. Now when really being able to look at this with a clear head if the quality is as good as guys say it is and these materials as nice as we all ready know they are then i think its price accordingly. I just wasnt ready for it. I cant really explain why I as the consumer that I am are more open to buying a product of lesser materials at a lesser price if its asian made over one of higher cost but albeit better materials. Maybe its just because that is how it worked for so many years and no that that is changing Im having a hard time acclimating to that change.
I am glad that Spyderco is profitable. I enjoy their products and hope that others may also for many years to come.
If my reading of your post is incorrect and your text relative to mine is one big coincidence, I apologize in advance for mis-reading your meaning.
"e.g" = "ergo" = "therefore".
"i.e" = "id est" = "that is"
In English and in Latin and in business. I think that not many people understand that. There is so much for all of us to learn.
Side side note:
Nutella is delicious.
All of this Taiwan stuff aside, the real truth of the matter is that this knife will have a $400.00 MSRP and sell for $250.00 to those lucky enough to get in early and when they are all on back order, some people that got in early will sell this knife for $300-$400 on here or the auction site and claim "that is what I paid for it". Then when production catches up with demand, you will see LNIB going for $200-$225 and users going for even less.
he thought it should cost less because he was comparing it to a ZT 560 which is a bigger knife, made with premium materials and with more machine time involded doing all the 3D texturing and contours and they make it in the USA and still manage to charge $260 for it. ZT is capable of amazing things that spyderco just can't do, they would have to charge $400 for the same thing according to the posts in this thread.
I know taiwan has the best quality of all the spydercos but I still wont be buying it, ill stick to the US made spydies because I like knowing an american with a job made it. I know i'm just crazy and nobody should care about where the things they buy were made, being commited to the country you live in is foolish and employing americans is bad for business.
zero tolerance is owned by a japanese company that reaps the benefits of chinese made products just as spyderco does.
Just a thought and not an attack on your preferences, but many , if not all, of the components/materials of a taichung spyderco are sourced from american companies AFAIK. You'd still be supporting American jobs by supporting the manufacture of the materials. Is it more patriotic to own something american -made that is comprised of components and materials from foreign vendors? Serious question, to which I don't have an answer.
Some of my best friends are Taiwanese.
It pains me to no end when the country gets irresponsibly and irrationally saddled with the "cheap crap" assumption/reputation.
I dare say that a great many Americans could learn a thing or two about hard work, respect, and discipline from our Taiwanese friends.
I see the OP as nothing but flame bait and misguided prejudice, which is the LAST thing that this forum needs.
Its been repeated multiple times in the thread.
I am actually starting to feel a little bad for PURPLE, LOL.......you guys just keep slapping him........
Thankyou. And again to you and rest of the forum, I apologize again.
Last edited by PURPLEDC; 06-15-2012 at 06:50 PM.
Interesting thread and yes, I read every post. Obviously a great deal of knowledge has been shared in this thread. Good for you. Pleased that it's on a Spyderco forum.
For those that choose only to purchase American, or won't buy Asian or ? is perfectlly understandable. I also have my own "rules" as to what I buy. I'm a proud American and we always read the labels, especially for food.
It also seems like you have had some or your thoughts adjusted, which is also good. If we could make them less expensive, we would, and we could sell more of them. Our Golden factory is making 300% more than we were just 5 years ago, and still growing.
I will say that most of the money/profit on these knives go to Americans. The steel is expensive as is shipping it overseas. Both the funds for the steel and shipping go to Americans. The design is US and some of those funds are royalties which will go to the American designers. The Distributor and dealer also make a large share of those funds, and they too have expenses. Duties go to the American govt.
I have no problem answering your questions, and I have no reason to lie. As you have learned, there is much more to a "Taiwan" knife than you originally thought on your first post. That's what forums are/or should be about.
Over half of my Spydies are Taiwanese models, and I have friends over there, so I guess I start seeing red at the mere mention of the country in any sort of negative light.
Again, I extend my appologies for fanning the bait flames.
Here's to a long and happy life of discovering new and suprising things on this forum.
Ok everybody. Group hug.
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