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    Quote Originally Posted by annr View Post
    I disagree with using a candidate's "character" and "ideology" as any kind of yardstick. I think that we need to dispassionately evaluate candidates' concrete results in the public arena. "Character" and "ideology" are feel-good, vague, interpretive, subjective catch phrases or buzz-words that fall under the category of "garbage" symptoms in my thesaurus.
    Agreed... my point being that everyone has a different understanding of what "character" is (usually based on how they see their own "character"). If you were to ask Anthony Weiner, John Edwards and Rod Blagojevich if they think that THEY have "good character", and can be a good judge of the "character" of others, they'd probably answer "yes".

    Don't tell me about what you will do (to "win" a Nobel Peace Prize), show me what you HAVE done (to EARN a Nobel Peace Prize).

    Good "intentions" are sweet, but RESULTS matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timcsaw View Post
    Agreed... my point being that everyone has a different understanding of what "character" is (usually based on how they see their own "character"). If you were to ask Anthony Weiner, John Edwards and Rod Blagojevich if they think that THEY have "good character", and can be a good judge of the "character" of others, they'd probably answer "yes".

    Don't tell me about what you will do (to "win" a Nobel Peace Prize), show me what you HAVE done (to EARN a Nobel Peace Prize).

    Good "intentions" are sweet, but RESULTS matter.
    Yes, that's another way of putting it. I read a study recently regarding job applicants and their success of being hired based on their resume. The results: the candidate whom the interviewer deemed had more potential (graduated Ivy league college for example) would more often than not beat out the applicant with the strong track record. Sound familiar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noctis3880 View Post
    The problem, ladies and gentlemen, is stupidity and ignorance.
    I heard Rush saying the other day that the obama is actively campaigning for the idiot vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triton View Post
    I heard Rush saying the other day that the obama is actively campaigning for the idiot vote.
    He is an amusing entertainer sometimes. Hope he has beat the dope thing for good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordic Viking View Post
    You're right, you don't have a clue how much the system is being abused. For all we know the abuse is too low to justify hiring people to look into it.

    If you were truly worried about your tax dollars I think you would check why the government pays 600 bucks for a toilet seat and 400 bucks for a hammer etc. There's more money to be saved there IMO.
    The problem here is that your examples are largely mythical while the ones we're concerned with are all around us, every day.

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    The toilet seat story is much the same. In fact, it wasn't even a toilet seat. It was a fiberglass housing for the toilet specific to the PC-3 Orions which had to be retooled to produce since they were obsolete and were requisitioned in small quantity, the tooling costs being spread between a few units instead of the initial hundreds. Forgotten also is that after the initial furor, the supplier ate the entire cost of retooling and provided them at below their production costs. A grandstanding Senator purposely brought about the myth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Codger_64 View Post
    The toilet seat story is much the same. In fact, it wasn't even a toilet seat. It was a fiberglass housing for the toilet specific to the PC-3 Orions which had to be retooled to produce since they were obsolete and were requisitioned in small quantity, the tooling costs being spread between a few units instead of the initial hundreds. Forgotten also is that after the initial furor, the supplier ate the entire cost of retooling and provided them at below their production costs. A grandstanding Senator purposely brought about the myth.
    I have a niece that pulled these out of her bag of krap just yesterday! Myth or not, some will still tote out the toilet seat and hammer to bolster their positions... just like we do Solyndra. Oh... wait... hmmmmm...
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    Give her a Fisher Space Pen, developed by NASA at a cost of 1.5 million dollars. Wait... developed by Mr. Paul Fisher and sold to NASA for less than $3 each.

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    Many of you have expressed the view that you are skeptical about Romney as a presidential candidate and/or think that welfare must be incrementally reformed, if not eliminated as such. I'm not a Romney "fanboy" per se, but I see his stance on welfare as a step in the right direction, and I don't see any equality or parity with the Obama crowd's stance. I think that his position also shows that he is frugal with taxpayer money, and thus not as out of touch with the working stiff as he is portrayed to be.

    BOSTON — Mitt Romney, who is trying to gain an edge in the presidential contest with the disputed charge that President Barack Obama is giving welfare recipients a free ride, can point to his own record of pushing for tighter welfare rules during four years as governor of Massachusetts...Romney fought to require single parents with children as young as a year old to work to get welfare benefits if they could obtain state-subsidized child care. He also opposed efforts to allow time spent in job training or education programs to count toward the state’s 20-hour weekly work requirement for welfare recipients, and pushed for a five-year lifetime limit on welfare benefits.

    At the time, Massachusetts was one of only five states without a lifetime limit, instead allowing welfare recipients to claim benefits two years out of every five-year period. Despite his tougher stand, Romney also tried to shield welfare benefits from budget cuts as the state struggled with sinking revenues.

    "There are a number of areas where I feel significant cuts would be too difficult on such short notice. I did not cut welfare payments," Romney said in a televised address in 2003 explaining his state budget proposal after just four weeks on the job. "In fact, the majority of state programs for the poor and elderly were not touched."..

    While the Republican presidential nominee has been criticized for shifting his position on everything from abortion to embryonic stem cell research to health care, his stand on welfare has remained relatively constant...Romney has told voters again and again he’d restore the work requirement to the federal program...

    Romney vetoed a proposal sent to him by the Legislature during his first year to allow welfare recipients to use time spent in training and education classes to satisfy the state work requirement. It later overturned Romney’s veto...

    By 2005, Romney sought to increase the pressure even more by proposing rules that would mandate welfare recipients with children as young as a year old to start working 20 hours a week to earn their state benefits.

    In his state of the state address that year, Romney outlined his efforts to bring what he called "real welfare reform to Massachusetts," saying part of his goal was to help get those on welfare back into the workforce as quickly as possible.

    "People from both political parties have long recognized that welfare without work creates negative incentives that lead to permanent poverty," Romney said. "It robs people of self-esteem."...

    The House and Senate passed a bill they said would require more welfare recipients to work, but critics, including Romney, said the plan didn’t go far enough, jeopardizing millions in federal welfare dollars.

    The Legislature’s bill would have required about 16,000 of the state’s 45,600 welfare recipients to work. Romney proposed a series of amendments he said would put more than 25,500 recipients to work.

    Among those was his push to require women with children between 1 and 2 years old to work if they could obtain state-subsidized child care. Romney also wanted to require disabled welfare recipients to meet the stricter federal definition of disability rather than a more lenient state definition...."People who receive payments from government are going to be required to work, not as a punitive measure, but as a gift. Work is enhancing. Work is elevating," Romney said in Iowa. "I want more people working if they’re going to receive government assistance."

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_...eid=1061157208
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