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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Eye Earl View Post



    Yes that is a full tang M122 Nemo! I finally saw one, thanks for those great pics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tin Sue View Post
    BG, I am not going to get into an argument here with you about what constitutes a "full tang" knife, but just maybe you should do some "googling" on this subject. According to wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_(weaponry) , "A full tang extends the full length of the grip-portion of a handle, versus a partial tang which does not." Now, let's see you give some references to support your opinion!! I'm done; you can continue jousting windmills all you wish!!!!!
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    I have many fixed blade knives that have "stick" tangs and full grip height tangs. A Kabar and Helle Taiga come to mind right now, in addition to a Spyderco Bushcrafter, Bark River Highland Special, ESSE 4, Condor Bushcrafter, Hudson Bay, etc.

    In the pure definition of a full tanged knife, are all these knives considered "full tang"? I've used them all for (general camp duty), and no problems whatsoever.

    I have a Buck 124 inbound (which has a "full height, full tang", blade). The Buck meets any definition of a "full tang", knife. The question I have is whether those that sport "stick tangs", are by definition, the same thing as a full, handle height tang?

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    Well, it has been suggested that we Google to find the truth, so I did.

    In Googling, I find that there are approximately a zillion debates going as to whether or not a hidden-tang knife is as strong as a full-tang knife.

    Now why would all these people be debating it if hidden-tang and full-tang were the same thing?

    One and all can take a look if they wish.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=full...ient=firefox-a

    Bottom line is:

    If they were both full-tang we'd call them both full-tang.

    They are not, so we don't.

    Full-tang and hidden-tang are two different systems that are physically and demonstrably quite different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumberdv View Post
    I think BG just likes to put his own "spin" on things.
    Gee, ya think.

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    My opinion (in the final analysis), is that the difference between the various definitions, doesn't really mean much. As long as the design and build quality (heat treat, etc.), are equally well executed, it's a toss up. I, personally, like the forward weight bias of a stick tang knife for most camp chores. They're lighter in the gear pack. If I need a chopper, I'll do a pull saw instead. I can baton through enough to get to wood where I can make fire, with either.

    Having said all this, I'll take a pull saw and a Condor Hudson Bay knife if I have to say good bye quickly. (Also a good axe).

    YMMV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stone Knifeworks View Post


    Proof Buck started selling the Nemo in 1967, I bet it was first between it and the 124. Thanks for posting it.
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    I think we need further delineations in tang-dum. Look below at the AG192 Vanguard - no visible tang... we should call that a svelte tang. Look at the top knife below - a German Puma 'White Hunter' - with it's stag scales starting at the tang everywhere - a proper full tang. Now regard the middle example - a Buck 408 Kalinga Pro - it's tang hangs out everywhere - we could call it the over fed American tang.



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    You might say that the Kalinga has undernourished slabs.

    Special Starving Sudanese Slabs, I guess.

    Such special slabs save a certain calculated number of dollars per knife, I suppose.......and look it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BG42EDGE View Post
    Well, it has been suggested that we Google to find the truth, so I did.

    In Googling, I find that there are approximately a zillion debates going as to whether or not a hidden-tang knife is as strong as a full-tang knife.

    Now why would all these people be debating it if hidden-tang and full-tang were the same thing?

    One and all can take a look if they wish.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=full...ient=firefox-a

    Bottom line is:

    If they were both full-tang we'd call them both full-tang.

    They are not, so we don't.

    Full-tang and hidden-tang are two different systems that are physically and demonstrably quite different.
    So just for fun what would you call a 124 that had modified handles that covered the tang?

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    The 124 is a full-tang knife......modifying the handles wouldn't change that fact.

    By the same token, if you cut the handle of the early Nemo and exposed the short, skinny little stick tang of that early Nemo......it wouldn't suddenly become a full-tang knife--it would still be a hidden tang, just modified.

    There, was that fun?

    It was fun for me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BG42EDGE View Post
    The 124 is a full-tang knife......modifying the handles wouldn't change that fact.

    By the same token, if you cut the handle of the early Nemo and exposed the short, skinny little stick tang of that early Nemo......it wouldn't suddenly become a full-tang knife--it would still be a hidden tang, just modified.

    There, was that fun?

    It was fun for me.

    Oh cont rare,the fun has just began for once again you're wrong.
    http://culinaryarts.about.com/od/glossary/g/tang.htm
    http://www.southwestgerberknives.com...ng-knives.html

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    http://www.buckknives.com/index.cfm?event=about.feature

    Though they don't call them "full tang' or "hidden tang" they do differentiate between a tang that is "surrounded" by the handle versus a tang that is "covered on either side by slabs".
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    The fact of whether the tang is exposed or not has no relevance in the definition of FULL TANG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BG42EDGE View Post
    Well, it has been suggested that we Google to find the truth, so I did.

    In Googling, I find that there are approximately a zillion debates going as to whether or not a hidden-tang knife is as strong as a full-tang knife.

    Now why would all these people be debating it if hidden-tang and full-tang were the same thing?

    One and all can take a look if they wish.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=full...ient=firefox-a

    Bottom line is:

    If they were both full-tang we'd call them both full-tang.

    They are not, so we don't.

    Full-tang and hidden-tang are two different systems that are physically and demonstrably quite different.
    Read post#3 from Bill Keys.
    http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sh...-119-tang-type

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    Two full tang knives.The Randall is a rat tail full tang.

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    Keep on dreamin' if it makes you feel better.

    Full-tang and hidden-tang are two different systems that are physically and demonstrably quite different.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BG42EDGE View Post
    The 124 is a full-tang knife......modifying the handles wouldn't change that fact.



    There, was that fun?

    It was fun for me.

    Fun and amusing!You never disappoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BG42EDGE View Post
    Keep on dreamin' if it makes you feel better.

    Full-tang and hidden-tang are two different systems that are physically and demonstrably quite different.

    You should educate Bill Keyes,just so he'll know.

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