Perfect! Looks like a great knife!
Perfect! Looks like a great knife!
The cold steel OSS someone recommended above looks really good. With the sheath being black it might be easier to buy a new one from the company website instead of the carbon v model. Fits everything I would want to replace the current knife I have for this purpose.
Old bayonets are cheap and durable and are made for defense.
The pistol grip is a crappy idea unless you are using it for breaching. Look at the elements of combat and the use of tools within that context.
You need something you can practice with and be familiar with. You need something you can use on the move while you are avoiding incoming rounds. You may have to use with one hand if for example you are holding a child or a pair of Prada sunglasses. You need to be able to put rounds down range with speed and repetition while under movement.
If you decide on a shotgun over a Glock, M&P et al due to cost constraints, get a regular Mossberg/Remington with a regular stock and an 18 inch barrel. The shotgun is respected because its easy to hit with, thats largely due to its point-ability. Dont bother unless you shoot a lot of shotgun or intend to start. The gunfight wont go well if you short stroke and end up not being able to shoot. Consider an M1 Carbine, they can be had for $400 and Jim Cirillo said nothing dropped guys faster when it had softpoints.
Last edited by oukaapie; 07-08-2012 at 08:40 PM.
It's between a no stock with extended mag and side shell carrier and a more tactical one with a folding stock, pistol grip, forward vert. grip, heat shield, mag extension, rail, light, etc.
I just really like the look and feel of a no stock pistol grip...
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If you must have a side shell carrier and a mag extension I get it. It will change the balance but its still good to go. Having a light I also get as its nice to see what you are shooting at. You have gone WAY over $300. If you are adding goodies, get the best, dont mess around with rubbish that will screw with reliability.
The heat shield is crap. Folding stock, pistol grip, forward grip et, all unnecessary
I would encourage you to seriously consider your use cases. Accessibility is far more important than anything else in most circumstances. Better to have Pepper Foam and a kitchen knife in hand than a Shotgun in the safe.
Do you suggest against a pistol grip/no stock? I have seen law enforcement use the no-stock 870s before
No stock is for breaching and needs to be avoided. You can still shoot a regular or pistol grip with stock from the hip or under the armpit if you need to shorten the weapon while moving around indoors. Either stock is fine, what ever feels better, its just not that big a deal If you shoot a lot of AR/AK then go a ahead and get the Pistol grip with stock. I don't care for them but plenty of very knowledgeable guys like them.
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That said, shotguns do require a bit of training to run (as does any firearm). Louis Awerbruck and Magpul Dynamics are two of the best places to learn such skills from and I highly recommend taking a class from either (or both) in person and learning everything you can from them.
What about a folding stock?
Best plan: standard-issue police trade-in 870 12 ga and go from there. Do some drills with various stocks attached and figure out what works for you. I recommend standard and youth stocks because that's what most people would be best served with, but YMMV.
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