The Sound of a shotgun can be very nasty but it wont make a difference if the person you want to be intimidated:
1. Is in an adrenalized state and has auditory exclusion.
2. Is jacked up on certain substances
3. Deaf mute.
4. Does not give a crap.
You'll find that it's by FAR the best home defense weapon you can get. With #4 Buck shot, one round will literally shred an intruder and even living in an apartment, the pellets will be stopped by the firewall between units.
It's not QUITE as maneuverable as a pistol, but the difference is minimal, and it is much more effective in the hands of a novice. Under stress, a pistol is much harder to keep on target while moving. With a shotgun, a blind shot is very much more likely to hit your attacker
a person on PCP can get stabbed and still proceed to beat you to death or stab you with your own knife. Unless you are trained in knife combat, a knife is a very bad choice for home defense. You are going to have to actually close with your intruder and engage in close quarters contact. Even a baseball bat or crowbar is a huge improvement.
And all of these facts don't even consider the possibility that your intruder could already be armed with a knife, gun or other weapon, in which case the ONLY effective weapon is a firearm
Sorry, but there's some serious shotgun misconceptions here.
Im not an expert, but I think that a double edged knife with a guard and solid grip is "best". I usually carry SOG pentagon (taiwan version) and its nice, except it doesnt have a guard. It pierces easily, as if its made for stabbing, which it is probably .
EDIT: Misread the original posters question, ignore my post, lol.
Last edited by Siromanta; 07-14-2012 at 06:42 AM.
Knife for home defense?
Just buy a big old Tramontina machete if you can't have a gun and don't like a club... Why a knife?
these points are at least partially wrong.
First, with training, you can certainly control a pistol grip shotgun. I know, because it's one of my home defense weapons, and i practice with it regularly. I can easily put an entire magazine on target with absolutely no problem. Recoil is not sufficient to prevent efficient function IF you shoot often enough to know how to compensate.
Second, and this depends greatly on where you live, #4 buck shot (specifically LEAD shot) will not over penetrate substantially from one apartment to another for a few reasons. Most apartments i've lived in in texas have a fire break between units. The one i live in now has a sheet metal fire break. After traveling through sheet rock, a small lead pellet will be deformed sufficiently that impacting with a sheet of metal will take most of it's energy. Steel shot, on the other hand, will blow through it like nothing... so i see your point.
On the other hand, it absolutely WILL "shred" your intruder in the sense that i meant. I'm not talking about Quake 2 style chunks flying everywhere shredding, i'm referring to the fact that getting shot center mass with #4 buck shot is roughly equivalent to getting shot with a 22 rifle 34 times. It will shred your internal organs. One shot will do substantially more damage than 2 or 3 stab wounds.
as to spreading, i don't disagree with you, but a 6" ball spread has a much higher chance of hitting with a poorly aimed shot than a .40 caliber bullet, and a MUCH better chance than a randomly swing knife.
Except that at most home defense ranges the pattern (from cylinder bore shotguns) will be in the area of 2-3". Meaning you still have to aim. Also, the shotgun's lack of precision can be a detriment in some circumstances. The lack of precision can be countered with a slug, but at that point you might as well have a good carbine.
ETA: while I agree that training can mitigate the disadvantages of a pistol grip only shotgun, not many people have the willingness or funding to practice enough to cancel them out. Most people would be best served with a standard-stocked shotgun either with the normal length of pull or a youth stock for slightly easier handling.
Have to agree with you there. Most people who own guns don't have enough experience with them to really use them correctly.
I am lucky in that i've managed to get enough practice time on enough different guns that i'm very comfortable with whatever i have in my hand at the moment.
A good defensive carbine is always an excellent choice IF you live in an area without neighbors too close. I am partial to Aug pattern rifles myself.
LOL looks like the Aug didn't even make your list
here are my preferred defensive carbines. I go with bullpups for the improved balance and massively improved maneuverability
ETA: My "List" is based on the guns I have experience with and also what is more common from what I've seen. ARs are literally everywhere, M1 Carbines can be had from the CMP among other sources, and AKs are pretty common as well.
the ONLY reason that i like the PS90 is as follows. With a 50 round magazine, at 25 yards, i can put 10 rounds in 10 seconds into a watermelon 5 times in a row with zero misses CONSISTENTLY.
It's not what i'd want in a home intrusion scenaro where precision and repeatability are not as important as first shot efficacy, but in a soft target bullet exchange, the ability to make consistent vitals shots with virtually zero re-aim due to recoil is great
The recoil on the PS90 is so close to zero as makes no difference. Your sight picture doesn't change at all from shot to shot, and 50 round capacity makes reloading a non-issue.
i'd prefer an AUG for most things, but the PS90 is very efficient as what it is
Here it is! The ultimate home defense weapon. 12 gauge bullpup shotgun with 10 round mags.. it's as short as a pistol grip shotgun but with much better control
Having spoken to guys who use P90s and MP7s they say the following. "The good news is you've got a high rate of fire and a large magazine. The bad news is you need both if you plan on taking down an aggressive target". One has to remember that the P90 was designed to be a gun that is more usable than a pistol for people who aren't supposed to get in gun fights. Such as tankers, pilots, etc.
Quick commentary on the double edged factor. I don't like them as much because you can't reinforce your grip and can end up cutting yourself more easily in close quarters. I'd rather a single edge blade with a good point and a swedge. Think this will vary according to training.
I consider a knife to be a desperate, last-ditch, up-close and personal defensive weapon. When it comes to home defense the last thing you want to do is get THAT CLOSE to an intruder. If you're close enough to use a knife, then the intruder is close enough to use his. I would suggest as others have suggested, an appropriate firearm. I prefer a 1911 .45, but if a handgun were not available to me for some reason, I'd choose a 12 guage.
If a firearm of any type is not possible, then I would suggest a baseball bat. Though I still wouldn't want to get that close to an intruder, a bat does give you a little more distance than a knife. Also, a bat is a highly visible item and the sight of you with a bat at the ready might, I say MIGHT, be enough to scare an intruder into running.
When it comes to large bladed weapons like machetes and swords you need to really ask yourself if you truly have what it takes to hack a persons arm off, or chop a person to death. Sure, people will say "I could do whatever it takes to defend myself and my family, blah, blah, blah". But we've all heard the saying "Don't pull it unless you're prepared to use it cause if you aren't then the bad guy might take it away from you". People give this advice for a very good reason, it's because it's not uncommon for guys to hesitate, or simply find themselves unable to KILL another human being, even a scumbag, when that scumbag is standing right in front of them. There's a big difference between imagining what one will/can do, and what one actually can do. The "Tough-guy machismo" that causes people to say "I wouldn't hesitate to chop the guys head off" won't help you when you're actually required to USE that weapon.
There are occasions where people, armed with GUNS, find themselves unable to shoot an intruder in their homes, even to save their families. And they and their families suffered for it. Sure, they were able to buy a gun. And maybe they actually took lessons in how to use it. And maybe they went to the range once a month to punch paper. But when they were faced with a living, breathing target, they just didn't have it in them to kill. And that's with A GUN, one of the most impersonal weapons one could possibly use. So I wonder, how many people whose total experience with real-world violence was a shoving match in the seventh grade just assume that they have it in them to chop a persons arm off. I wonder how many people who wouldn't be able to chop the head off a chicken for dinner think that they could chop the head off a living man, without hesitation. Be realistic in your choice of weapons. A weapon won't be worth much if you don't actually have it in you to use it.
Lastly, for guys choosing firearms for home defense, don't forget that if you actually use that weapon that it will be impounded by the cops, and it could take a LONG time to get it back. In the meantime, don't expect the cops to treat your gun with care. It could easily get dropped on a concrete floor and get banged around an evidence locker. They're not going to clean it or keep it oiled. And they're not going to bother to wipe off their sweaty fingerprints. My point is, these are things you should consider before selecting a very expensive gun for home defense, or putting a lot of expensive work into a gun that you have designated for home defense.
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