Libre Fighting Knife Assualt Project Part 1 (knife defense, disarm, martial arts

[Edwood7]

Libre Fighting Knife Assualt Project Part 1 (knife defense, disarm, martial arts.


Here is a video from my friend and mentor Scott Babb founder of Libre Fighting. It's an on going protect he has been doing with us to test out realistic approach to a knife attack. There is alot of knowledge in our class but nothing we tried work that good against this type of knife attack. It was an eye opening experience and sorting that has made my reexamine years of my own trying. I'm even in a few of the videos.

Stay safe out there

[jayinhk]

Good stuff: thank you for sharing! From what I've heard of Libre so far, it sounds like great real world training.

[singularity35]

Very sobering. Thanks for sharing Ed.

[Chris "Anagarika"]

Thanks!

Being active again on the forum, I assume you're back

[HeavyHanded]

That has to be the worst spot with the worst type of attack. In a corner, their alive hand already in contact with you, both squared off with little chance of turning your man. Add to that the attack itself is short stem, bent arm throughout, redirection almost impossible. Even a hard bone on bone block w/ a forearm would be unlikely to make him loose a beat, and your leverage is already in the pooper.

What trends produced the best (least bad) outcome?

I imagine you'd need to get an arm over theirs above the elbow and resort to knee strikes to his hip/upper thigh and forearms/elbows from across. Even then you'd need to be capable of pushing into them on that side to tie up the arm, probably after you've been stabbed a few times, and it implies they've been turned a bit as well. They get in that tight with a wall behind you, you're in the deepest poop imaginable.

I hate to say it, but you might be better off just going for his throat/eyes knowing if you get skunked that bad there is no good defensive action. Commanding the body to go that route in that situation would be the height of mental/physical/emotional control. Walking barefoot across hot coals would be easier...

[SeaxyBeast]

Two things that stand out to me in this and reinforce what I've been taught is that either staying in the pocket or grappling leads to the defender being eaten for lunch.

I've seen this in training a lot, actually, in the other direction. Many in my group carry their soft training knives on their person in realistic positions all through a session so that it's accessible when the instructor shifts from stick or open hand to knife during the class. We get a lot of beginners who have had either wrestling or some BJJ/MMA experience who revert to their previous training when they can't make the material work and they can get really fixated on not losing to the detriment of learning. Best way I've found to 'empty their cup' is to pull the trainer while they are busy 'winning' and give them a quick lesson in how many vital targets are exposed. They usually go saucer-eyed and let go within five seconds.

Make what space you can if you can and get out of the situation as fast as possible. My strategy -- when getting compact and running like hell doesn't work --is to target the attacker's mobility to slow him down and make escape just a bit more likely.

And when I say strategy, I'm not claiming a win so much as a 'hopefully not lose as badly and get away' strategy.

[razorsdescent]

Thanks for the share.

That looks alot like you in the first part of the training clip then getting stabbed up by the curly haired guy.

[Edwood7]

Thanks for the share.

That looks alot like you in the first part of the training clip then getting stabbed up by the curly haired guy.

That is me.

[Black Knife]

Me and Scott were just talking about this last night and I have been working on my own ideas as well on how to stop knife attacks. Through my research I found that stabbing someone can be done at a faster rate than using slashing motions with a knife. The "Grab and Stab" method which most inmates use in prison or ex-cons use on the streets is the typical method used for their attacks with a blade. It is quick and violent and if caught of guard you can get easily stabbed 25 times less than 30 seconds. The target of choice is the stomach, neck and back if attacked from behind.

The first thing one must do is stop the initial attack then control of the knife hand must be done immediately. Now the problem is what method to use to stop the initial attack and what method used to gain complete control of the arm even if the attacker's arm is sweaty. This is what I have been working on for the last year and now testing with my guys. Then I will be going to San Diego and test my theories out with Scott and my fellow Libre brothers.

[HeavyHanded]

That is me.

One other question - did the drill commence with you cornered or was the "assailant" able to back you up from a more open area?

HH

[WillardCorspe]

This is what I've believed for some time now; prevention is the only surefire way to deal with a knife attack without being seriously injured or worse. Being stabbed once is enough to get you killed.

Great link.

[djjonny]

Thanks Edwood. Major eye openner

[rpn]

Good post- thanks.

In the video post, just no room for escape for the security guard.

[dakine]

Nice video, thanks for sharing. Always good to see other arts.

[Buffalohump]

This is why I always raise my eyebrows when people say a knife is really not much use as a weapon... the knights of yore didnt wear suits of armour and chain mail because it helped them stay cool and mobile. A guy comes at you with a knife about the only way you're going to stop him is to trap his arm and immediately break it. And good luck with that!

[jwaj]

Great stuff Ed. Thanks for posting it. I wish they (Libre) offered classes in the Bay Area.

[psychophipps]

The real issue is letting an unknown contact get that close without being aggressively challenged and while not in defensive posture. You start that far behind the curve and you're pretty much hosed unless you get lucky. This is a pre-assault software issue, not an assault-in-progress software isssue.

[jwaj]

Sometimes stuff happens at contact ranges, especially in military and police work. You do bring up a valid point though.

[HeavyHanded]

Sometimes stuff happens at contact ranges, especially in military and police work. You do bring up a valid point though.

How close do people get when you're in a convenience store, a super market, in line for a movie, registering a car at the DMV. Granted most BGs aren't lurking at every opportunity, but its impossible to maintain any sort of "personal space" for a huge percentage of the citizenry (of any country). Reaction time is very slight in a worst case situation. Close range doesn't necessarily favor the larger, faster individual, but the better mentally prepared.

[jwaj]

I agree with you HeavyHanded. I was commenting on the previous post by psyco. Mindset plays a key role.

I like it when I see trainers and operators challenge the system or technique. Babb seems like he wants to always improve the Libre system. Finding weaknesses in a system or thought process is critically important. The, "know what you don't know stuff".

Again, good stuff Ed...