Romney or Obama the choice in 2012?

[ron_m80]

And entitlement spending dwarfs foreign aide spending.

I doubt that very much considering that we have been at war for about 12 years.

Just so we are clear here your evidence is some weblinks proving that some companies exist?

Did you forget the question you asked, that I was answering already? After putting the effort into just giving it to you, you scoff at it, and respond dismissively? I was showing you that Romney's campaign donations.....

.....I believe that is illegal, again evidence.....

WERE FROM FOREIGN SOURCES BY AND LARGE. I think I did a pretty good job of it too. That "Anglo-Saxon" connection of Romney's is mostly with his bankers from what I can tell. (don't ask me for his Bank accounts Triton)

Here is one from today's news. Why did you believe it was illegal for foreign entities to contribute to an American campaign?

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/r...075809859.html

[timcsaw]

I doubt that very much considering that we have been at war for about 12 years.


Did you forget the question you asked, that I was answering already? After putting the effort into just giving it to you, you scoff at it, and respond dismissively? I was showing you that Romney's campaign donations.....


WERE FROM FOREIGN SOURCES BY AND LARGE. I think I did a pretty good job of it too. That "Anglo-Saxon" connection of Romney's is mostly with his bankers from what I can tell. (don't ask me for his Bank accounts Triton)

Here is one from today's news. Why did you believe it was illegal for foreign entities to contribute to an American campaign?

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/r...075809859.html

Ron,

Do you have political contribution figures for Obama "at the ready"? I'd like to see them.

[ron_m80]

I haven't really followed his campaign since Romney had so much more right now, I am pretty sure I understand exactly what an Obama presidency means. I will make it a point to look into that in the same way I did for Romney this week, if not today.

[timcsaw]

I haven't really followed his campaign since Romney had so much more right now, I am pretty sure I understand exactly what an Obama presidency means. I will make it a point to look into that in the same way I did for Romney this week, if not today.

Why do you not have that info at the ready for Obama, but you do have it for Romney? And more importantly, how do you know "Romney had so much more right now", if you addmitedly don't know how much Obama had "right now". (<--- Rhetoricle if you wish, as I think I've made my point. )

[quietmike]

And entitlement spending dwarfs foreign aide spending.

I doubt that very much considering that we have been at war for about 12 years.

We have been in the charity business far longer than 12 years.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1258

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[Ocelot85]

Honestly I can't stand either Obama or Romney. I've voted for Ron Paul in 2008, and I'll do so again in 2012. I really don't care if he doesn't have a chance in hell, it's the principle of it.

[timcsaw]

Honestly I can't stand either Obama or Romney. I've voted for Ron Paul in 2008, and I'll do so again in 2012. I really don't care if he doesn't have a chance in hell, it's the principle of it.

Then you may as well just cast your vote for Obama (the greater of two evils), or stay home. Satisfying your OWN principals for your own benifit does absolutely NOTHING to help or benefit the country or your fellow man. It is essentially akin to covering your ears while admitting defeat and running away IMO.

[Danbo]

Then you may as well just cast your vote for Obama (the greater of two evils), or stay home. Satisfying your OWN principals for your own benifit does absolutely NOTHING to help or benefit the country or your fellow man. It is essentially akin to covering your ears while admitting defeat and running away IMO.

+1 to that. Vote for Romney; he's the least sucky of the two candidates.

[Noctis3880]

+1 to that. Vote for Romney; he's the least sucky of the two candidates.

Haven't we been down this road before with Bush and then Obama? We didn't want another 4 years of Democrat/Republican, so we voted for the lesser of two evils.

[jdm61]

Hey Ocelot, stay at home. At this point, it's not about the lesser of evils but about saving the rest of us a couple of bucks by not having to print the ballot and process your protest vote. Waste your time but not our money.

[Ocelot85]

I'm a legal citizen of this country and I'll vote for whomever I choose to, since I'm afforded that right by the Bill of Rights.

I'm also a man of principles, I've supported Ron Paul for as long as I've been able to, and I will continue to do so since I believe in the mans convictions and philosophies. My allegiences won't change simply because of the current political climate or the opinions of my fellow citizens.

Also I pay taxes as well, so don't worry yourself over the cost of my ballot and it's processing.

[ron_m80]

Ok asside from keeping yourselves locked into the debate over which of the two lessers you will vote for, knowing there is a third canidate you could back and get out in your community and support but won't.

Here is something we must all NEVER let happen. This guy is as fake as his last surgery. (no proof) And he took his wife's ex husbands surname so he could run for office in a latino voting district. His real is not Villarigosa, and he sucks at governing for freedom.

[Joe30]

Then you may as well just cast your vote for Obama (the greater of two evils), or stay home. Satisfying your OWN principals for your own benifit does absolutely NOTHING to help or benefit the country or your fellow man. It is essentially akin to covering your ears while admitting defeat and running away IMO.

Let me tell you something; the lesser of two evils paradigm is part of the designed system. If you vote for either Romney or Obama you will get the same thing! OK maybe not the same thing, but dam close. Our fascist government is in complete control of the system. They are both owned by the bankers!!! If you believe otherwise then you are being mislead.
If everyone woke up from their brainwashed slumps in this country then Ron Paul would have a chance. If you were a real patriot and believed in you country you would either not participate in this shim sham or vote a third party like Gary Johnson or Ron Paul otherwise you are just supporting the fascists with their corporate brainwashing campaigns.
I am with you Ocelot85. So many people are blind to this. We are screwed!

[timcsaw]

Let me tell you something; the lesser of two evils paradigm is part of the designed system. If you vote for either Romney or Obama you will get the same thing! OK maybe not the same thing, but dam close. Our fascist government is in complete control of the system. They are both owned by the bankers!!! If you believe otherwise then you are being mislead.
If everyone woke up from their brainwashed slumps in this country then Ron Paul would have a chance. If you were a real patriot and believed in you country you would either not participate in this shim sham or vote a third party like Gary Johnson or Ron Paul otherwise you are just supporting the fascists with their corporate brainwashing campaigns.
I am with you Ocelot85. So many people are blind to this. We are screwed!

Hate to break the news.... but Ron Paul isn't going to get elected. If your vote for him makes you feel better... have at it as your "good feeling" will be the only positive that comes from your vote.

[Joe30]

Hate to break the news.... but Ron Paul isn't going to get elected. If your vote for him makes you feel better... have at it as your "good feeling" will be the only positive that comes from your vote.

Hate to break the news to you but your missing the point. Go ahead and vote for either McDonalds or Burgerking. I know RP isnt going to win at this point unfortunately way too many sheeple that are caught up in the television/newspaper propaganda; its everywhere, and people are sucking it up faster than their GMO corn syrup products.

I refuse to vote for these gangster criminals because I am not ignorant enough to fall for their crap. Again dosent matter who wins! The Bankers and the corporations have an agenda!!

And Yes it will give me a "good feeling" not voting for either of those losers because at least Ill know Im not an idiot.

[Thomason]

Yellow dog, boys and girls, yellow dog. Like it or not, the current state of politics in the US is just a two party system. It is not so much choosing the best candidate or even lesser of two evils. The important thing is to vote Democrat.

"Yellow Dog Democrats was a political term applied to voters in the Southern United States who voted solely for Democratic candidates, with the term commencing in the late 19th century. Due to Republican president Abraham Lincoln's leading the Union against the Confederacy, these voters would allegedly "vote for a yellow dog before they would vote for any Republican". The term is now more generally applied to refer to any Democrat who will vote a straight Party ticket under any circumstances."

[timcsaw]

And Yes it will give me a "good feeling" ...

I am sincerely glad about that and no sarcasm was, or is intended about it making you feel good.

[Noctis3880]

Let me tell you something; the lesser of two evils paradigm is part of the designed system. If you vote for either Romney or Obama you will get the same thing! OK maybe not the same thing, but dam close. Our fascist government is in complete control of the system. They are both owned by the bankers!!! If you believe otherwise then you are being mislead.
If everyone woke up from their brainwashed slumps in this country then Ron Paul would have a chance. If you were a real patriot and believed in you country you would either not participate in this shim sham or vote a third party like Gary Johnson or Ron Paul otherwise you are just supporting the fascists with their corporate brainwashing campaigns.
I am with you Ocelot85. So many people are blind to this. We are screwed!

Quite right. Both sides are bought and paid for, and neither have our best interests in mind. I'm sorry to say this, but the fact of the matter is that the average American is simply dumber than average, as backwards as that may sound. You can hold a public discussion about this in your local city and not get anywhere with most of the people talking back, which will only be a small portion of of the population actually willing to listen to what you have to say.

As I said before, the problem with democracy is simply that stupid people outnumber smart people and have the power to make decisions that affect the lives of everyone, including the smart minority. The way I see it, giving everybody the "right" to vote(including illegal immigrants) is sort of like putting children in the control room of a nuclear power facility simply because they have the "right" to be in there and push all the buttons.

Hate to break the news.... but Ron Paul isn't going to get elected. If your vote for him makes you feel better... have at it as your "good feeling" will be the only positive that comes from your vote.

Again, will voting for Romney be positive at all? People voted for Obama because after Bush, nobody wanted John McCain(i.e. another 4 years of Republican). Voting for "the other guy" didn't serve us well in the past, why now? The lesser of two evils? Obama was the lesser of two evils in 2008.

Still, I'm not suggesting there's a better alternative at this point. I'm just a bit confused about why everybody in this discussion seems to think that there's any right answer at all.

My years of test taking in school has taught me one useful thing about multiple choice answers:
Question- Which choice will NOT end up screwing you over?
A) Obama
B) Romney
C) Ron Paul
D) None of the above.

Nobody seems to be looking at choice D. Obama? Screwed. Romney? Screwed. Ron Paul? Still screwed because when idealism and reality collide, it's rarely reality that backs off. Thus, no matter what you do, you're still screwed. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Sort of like being diagnosed with AIDS.

Me, I feel the best thing I can do is 1) Don't have kids, I'll be leaving them one hell of a mess to deal with and 2) keep my fingers crossed that things don't go FUBAR until AFTER I'm dead.

Hate to break the news to you but your missing the point. Go ahead and vote for either McDonalds or Burgerking. I know RP isnt going to win at this point unfortunately way too many sheeple that are caught up in the television/newspaper propaganda; its everywhere, and people are sucking it up faster than their GMO corn syrup products.

I refuse to vote for these gangster criminals because I am not ignorant enough to fall for their crap. Again dosent matter who wins! The Bankers and the corporations have an agenda!!

And Yes it will give me a "good feeling" not voting for either of those losers because at least Ill know Im not an idiot.

Well yes, you'll feel good knowing you're not an idiot, but you'll still be just as screwed as the idiots that left you the mess.

[timcsaw]

Romney vs. Obama. One of these two WILL be President. What is a significant difference? One of these two might be "tempered (moderated)" because he will NEED to be "tempered" if he ever thinks he has a chance at a second term... One of these two won't be concerned about his reelection to a second term at all. Simple really. Desiring a second term is a NATURAL moderator of action and behavior. One will be "self-moderated", the other won't have to worry about it.

[Joe30]

As I said before, the problem with democracy is simply that stupid people outnumber smart people and have the power to make decisions that affect the lives of everyone, including the smart minority. The way I see it, giving everybody the "right" to vote(including illegal immigrants) is sort of like putting children in the control room of a nuclear power facility simply because they have the "right" to be in there and push all the buttons.

Yes very true. But isnt this why we were given a Republic and not a Democracy. The founders knew that all democracies fail. Too bad they have been very successful at propagating people into believing that we are a democracy and that everything is up for debate.

Again, will voting for Romney be positive at all? People voted for Obama because after Bush, nobody wanted John McCain(i.e. another 4 years of Republican). Voting for "the other guy" didn't serve us well in the past, why now? The lesser of two evils? Obama was the lesser of two evils in 2008.

Still, I'm not suggesting there's a better alternative at this point. I'm just a bit confused about why everybody in this discussion seems to think that there's any right answer at all.

My years of test taking in school has taught me one useful thing about multiple choice answers:
Question- Which choice will NOT end up screwing you over?
A) Obama
B) Romney
C) Ron Paul
D) None of the above.

Nobody seems to be looking at choice D. Obama? Screwed. Romney? Screwed. Ron Paul? Still screwed because when idealism and reality collide, it's rarely reality that backs off. Thus, no matter what you do, you're still screwed. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Sort of like being diagnosed with AIDS.

I agree, people need to wake up and not participate in their theatrics. It aggravates and saddens me at the same time that people dont see this, they continue to argue back and forth about stupid stuff kind of like listening to people ague about their favorite baseball team. Meanwhile they keep taking our constitutional rights away with almost no media coverage.

For example the NDAA section 1021 and 1022 signed/snuck in on new years eve that basically strips us of our 6th amendment. I try to talk with a lot of random people about politics and almost no one knows about this, crazy stuff.
Oh but dont worry I have good news, at the republican convention in FL this year they are going to have "Free Speech Zones" well good for us! Free speech zones! WTF. Yes, I believe that they also have found a way to circumvent our first amendment. This kind of stuff should not be allowed to happen. I do my best to try get people aware of what is really going on but it is defiantly hard.

Im not clamming to have all the answers and I just know that people need to see what is up.

Well yes, you'll feel good knowing you're not an idiot, but you'll still be just as screwed as the idiots that left you the mess.

True we're screwed.