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Thread: Anyone tried using oil to quench stainless ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by mete View Post
    The day you say you aren't going to learn anymore is the day you should pack it in !!!
    Amen brother, and I ain't ready to pack it in yet.
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    Troop, I am getting well outside of my bandwidth of competence here, but IIRC, that is how guys like Howard Clark make those bainitic L6 swords. They quench in low temp salt and hold at slightly above the Ms point for an extended period of time.
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    Thanks for the info. I've never felt comfortable, except for O-1, with mar quenching oil-hardening steels.

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    Troop, I am getting well outside of my bandwidth of competence here, but IIRC, that is how guys like Howard Clark make those bainitic L6 swords. They quench in low temp salt and hold at slightly above the Ms point for an extended period of time.
    Hmmm... good to know. I think I'll just stick with good 'ol martensite. I leave the blade in the hot oil just until it is nice and equalized.
    Howard Clark, Kevin Cashen, Roman Landes, etc., are all wizards with metallurgy. It's truly amazing at the amount of knowledge these guys have.

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    Whatever you use for steel it's best to get a TTT diagram so you know what's going on. Whether or not the steel is appropriate for bainite depends on how long you have to hold it above the Ms. For some steels that's a LLOOONNGG time. In any case the TTT tells you a lot.

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    IIRC, Ed Cafferey once said that he'd oil quenched some stainless with good results. You might get a hold of him to see how he did it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Dark View Post
    I still wonder IF you did a wash coat with satanite would it help with the scale and decarb? I'm gonna try it just out of curiosity.
    OK, I tried it. I put a fairly thin wash coat of Satanite over the blade from the tip to about half way back on the tang (wanted a stop point so that I could see if there was any difference between the wash coat and non coat).

    This was on a piece of S35VN that I had only profiled and drilled handle holes. It was pretty thin to begin with, so I decided I would grind the bevels post-heat treat in order to minimize warping problems.

    I decided not to try the mar-quench in oil, but rather use my trusty aluminum plates. (one step at a time)

    Well, when I pulled that blade out of my Evenheat at 1950 degrees for 40 minutes, it looked like it was three distinct layers. Steel in the center and a layer of carbon on both sides.

    After quenching between the plates (with a little compressed air to assist), I did a snap temper at 325 degrees for about an hour, then put the blade into a mixture of dry ice and alcohol and left it over night.

    The amount of de-carb, to me, was totally unacceptable. There was not much, if any difference in the amount of de-carb between the coated section and the non-coated section.

    I will say that this blade got as hard a woodpecker's lips, and gave me fits grinding the de-carb. Needless to say, I won't be trying this again until I get a souped-up surface grinder and somebody to do the final hand sanding.

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    Too much grinding for you? Then use the foil. That's it.

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