Could this be why the obama loses?

[sticktodrum]

What's your opinion on child rape?




Just kidding.

Can't comment, I'm not a priest.



Sort of kidding...

[Triton]

And what's with the quotes around "marriage"?

There's no such thing as homosexual "marriage."

Were you instead saying that you took exception to Romney's "general stance on science?" What IS Romney's general stance on science? What is the obama's?

On an unrelated note, I do regard the notion of holding a position on something one's entire life without possibility of changing one's mind as crazy.

So you are saying that anyone having core principles is crazy?

I didn't get that from his post. Certainly not the "anything they can think of the except the economy?" bit. Didn't you just mention something about seeing what one wants to see?

That would be this part:

Unless I heard wrong, both sides are campaigning on those issues

I took that to mean that both sides were campaigning on these issues. I don't believe they are. Rather I think democrats are trying to use them as wedge issues and Republicans are addressing them when asked by the media. Republicans ARE however talking about the economy unlike the democrats who when they mention it at all say that it is Bush's fault.

[sticktodrum]

There's no such thing as homosexual "marriage."

Sure there is. I've got a few friends who are married to others of the same sex. I've seen their licenses. They look pretty real to me. Perhaps you have prejudices that I don't in regards to what exists as well as the rights that people should have.

Were you instead saying that you took exception to Romney's "general stance on science?" What IS Romney's general stance on science? What is the obama's?

Sorry, I'm not going into it. I see how you respond to posts and I've lost interest in your kind of queries and discussions. "the obama"? Really? Yeah, I'll pass.

So you are saying that anyone having core principles is crazy?

Nope. What I said is not analogous to the words you're trying to put in my mouth. I don't respond to straw man arguments.

I took that to mean that both sides were campaigning on these issues. I don't believe they are. Rather I think democrats are trying to use them as wedge issues and Republicans are addressing them when asked by the media. Republicans ARE however talking about the economy unlike the democrats who when they mention it at all say that it is Bush's fault.

Well I can't speak for him, but it looks like you took it wrong. I saw no mention of exclusivity and you're building your thoughts off of an exclusivity.

[Triton]

Sure there is. I've got a few friends who are married to others of the same sex.

Nope, by definition they aren't no matter what they want to call it nor what they want their state to call it. Go to another state that does not recognize homosexual "marriage" and you will find that this is the truth.

I've seen their licenses. They look pretty real to me. Perhaps you have prejudices that I don't in regards to what exists as well as the rights that people should have.

Possibly. For example I don't think that vocal minorities have the "right" to tell society how things are defined.

Sorry, I'm not going into it.

In other words you don't really have any idea, but you are perfectly willing to go off of what you "think" a conservative or the obama's stance might be.

Nope. What I said is not analogous to the words you're trying to put in my mouth. I don't respond to straw man arguments.

Actually it is. You said that anyone that if one holds a principle one's entire life and is unwilling to consider changing it then that might be "crazy." Core principles are ones that people hold and are unwilling to change. That would be something like Mike's jab on child rape for example. Romney appears to have core principles with respect to homosexual "marriage." The obama it would appear does not.

As I said, not exactly a net gain for the obama.

[BlackKnight86]

This is good stuff:

This is so tiresome. I come in here(the forum, not this awful thread) hoping to engage in some political discourse with some smart guys and all I get is Obama is a socialist muslim who wants to steal your guns and hard earned money and give it to his welfare constituents. He also wants to destroy the country that put him in it's highest office. And you guys want to replace him with a "best that we could come up with" candidate and his pants-on-fire running mate. But fret not, I'll be happy to be the cock-blocker in your right-wing circle jerk.

...juxtaposed with:

It was just a better choice than a broken old man and a dim-wit who shared some backwards viewpoints.

I'm wondering about the thought processes of someone who protests other people doing the same thing he does. One would think that he'd get along with them better.....and it wouldn't be so "tiresome".

Oh....and you can turn THAT around however you like.

Can't comment, I'm not a priest.



Sort of kidding...

Are you a teacher?

Not kidding at all.

[snowreaper1]

As far as Mccain, I have explained this twice now and you still don't understand. Reread my post, apply logic and thought (I think I read on here that only conservatives can actually do this), and not so miraculously, the answer will be there.

I sometimes wonder what some of the people here are like in real life (and I am sure you do as well). Do we really think the way we post? I find it hard to believe with some (not you in particular), that they can even function at all if they do. Maybe I should spend more time on more moderate and sane political forums. The bouncing back and forth between anarchistic libertarianism and self righteous black and white liberalism is kind of wearing. Both groups are almost exactly the same with different color clothes on, and think the exact same thing about the other side. I think I saw a picture once that depicted the political spectrum as not linear, but circular, and more and more I think that is true. I can only hope that these extremes are both so out there that in the real world, such insanity gets crushed. Unfortunately, moderates tend to be apathetic and lazy, (or just burned out on that loony things they hear from the fringes), so the inmates run the American political insane asylum.

And with that I leave you to your echo chamber for a bit, but I am sure I will be back. Much like the hangover after a night of drinking, right now I am tired, but tonight, tonight I am ready to party again...

I will say this, you guys know how to pit bull pretty good. I respect the iron rigidity of your convictions to a degree. Even if I think some of them are wrong.

[timcsaw]

Also well thumbed up.

[Noctis3880]

Actually it is. You said that anyone that if one holds a principle one's entire life and is unwilling to consider changing it then that might be "crazy." Core principles are ones that people hold and are unwilling to change. That would be something like Mike's jab on child rape for example. Romney appears to have core principles with respect to homosexual "marriage." The obama it would appear does not.

As I said, not exactly a net gain for the obama.

Not sure if "core principles" are really worth adhering to. A little over 6 months ago I supported the Obamination saying that, "it's good we finally got over the whole racist thing by having a black president". No, I didn't vote for him, but you could have called me an Obama fan boy. I was a true blue Democrat along with the rest of my little blue island. I had pro-choice stances, was anti-rich, and was pro-OWS.

Yet it seems the occupants of the all-powerful internet was generally more conservative than liberal, and after being bombarded left and right(quite literally) with conflicting information that contradicted my views and beliefs, I was compelled to hear more and eventually had to test my beliefs. I think we can all agree that my views changed for the better.

So as you can see, I don't feel that sticking to one principle your entire life is a particularly healthy thing. I don't support "flipflopping" constantly either unless the individual in question is willing to admit that he flip-flopped his views and maybe elaborate on why. This is of course, interestingly similar to the scientific method. My "core principles" wouldn't be one particular viewpoint or another. If I had to describe my core principles, I'd like to say they are "reason, logic, and experimentation".

[timcsaw]

Not sure if "core principles" are really worth adhering to. A little over 6 months ago I supported the Obamination saying that, "it's good we finally got over the whole racist thing by having a black president". No, I didn't vote for him, but you could have called me an Obama fan boy. I was a true blue Democrat along with the rest of my little blue island. I had pro-choice stances, was anti-rich, and was pro-OWS.

Yet it seems the occupants of the all-powerful internet was generally more conservative than liberal, and after being bombarded left and right(quite literally) with conflicting information that contradicted my views and beliefs, I was compelled to hear more and eventually had to test my beliefs. I think we can all agree that my views changed for the better.

So as you can see, I don't feel that sticking to one principle your entire life is a particularly healthy thing. I don't support "flipflopping" constantly either unless the individual in question is willing to admit that he flip-flopped his views and maybe elaborate on why. This is of course, interestingly similar to the scientific method. My "core principles" wouldn't be one particular viewpoint or another. If I had to describe my core principles, I'd like to say they are "reason, logic, and experimentation".

Well said and I admire your open mindedness. In most cases it's the way to go.

[Triton]

Not sure if "core principles" are really worth adhering to. A little over 6 months ago I supported the Obamination saying that, "it's good we finally got over the whole racist thing by having a black president". No, I didn't vote for him, but you could have called me an Obama fan boy. I was a true blue Democrat along with the rest of my little blue island. I had pro-choice stances, was anti-rich, and was pro-OWS.

Yet it seems the occupants of the all-powerful internet was generally more conservative than liberal, and after being bombarded left and right(quite literally) with conflicting information that contradicted my views and beliefs, I was compelled to hear more and eventually had to test my beliefs. I think we can all agree that my views changed for the better.

So as you can see, I don't feel that sticking to one principle your entire life is a particularly healthy thing. I don't support "flipflopping" constantly either unless the individual in question is willing to admit that he flip-flopped his views and maybe elaborate on why. This is of course, interestingly similar to the scientific method. My "core principles" wouldn't be one particular viewpoint or another. If I had to describe my core principles, I'd like to say they are "reason, logic, and experimentation".

I didn't realize that, very interesting, thanks for sharing. So far in this thread I cound + some number for Romney but no net gains for the obama. It's not exactly compelling, but it is an interesting illustration.

[bobusx]

Well, you do need to factor in that this subforum is overwhelmingly right wing as well. If I asked your question in a left wing dominated forum, I might see more of the opposite result as well. Still, it is an interesting exercise.

[bobusx]

Perhaps I should go to my other main forum haunt and ask, then cross report my results.

[timcsaw]

Perhaps I should go to my other main forum haunt and ask, then cross report my results.

Be careful about cross-posting between BF and other forums... it's kind of a no-no here.

[Triton]

Well, you do need to factor in that this subforum is overwhelmingly right wing as well. If I asked your question in a left wing dominated forum, I might see more of the opposite result as well. Still, it is an interesting exercise.

Yes, this is nothing like a scientific sample, still even in the national media I am hard pressed to find examples of new converts to obamism.

[Triton]

Darned software...

[timcsaw]

Darned software...

You too? I've been getting double post a lot lately, and I've had to use the "auto-save" frequently of late.

[Ken44]

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[timcsaw]

I'm one that voted for McCain last time, but will vote for President Obama this time.

Might I ask why?

[Triton]

I'm one that voted for McCain last time, but will vote for President Obama this time.

I too am interested in your reasoning. Also I would ask who you voted for in your previous presidential elections.

[Thomason]

Question for the Mods:

When Obama is re-elected can I post a simple "Neener, neener" in this thread or do I have to explain what neener, neener means and defend why I posted it?