MMA fighter accused to ripping out his friend's heart

[tyr_shadowblade]

Yaknow what's actually creepy about these stories is how many times the individuals that attacked invision godsatan, or demonic forces.they also tend to not remember much. It's also creepy how they end up.eating bodyparts and ripping them out,etc. Very beast or animal like , very unsettling. Things like this make me start to question were they under the control of something or was something awakened by these chemicals.

Drugs and alcohol weaken one's resistance to external influences, and strong hallucinogens can blow your mind so badly that your ability to make good choices and exert free will is pretty much gone . . . but at those dosages you're usually incapacitated, and I've never heard of it happening with mushrooms before. LSD, however, has been a factor in hundreds of attacks and dozens of homicides. The theory is that the person may have a pre-existing latent psychosis which is triggered by ingesting the drugs . . . but it could be a spiritual thing as well. Impossible to conclusively prove either.

Back in my early twenties I tried a few types of hallucinogen and it was not a pleasant experience. Very overwhelming and the effects last for hours and you are really not yourself for the duration of the experience. Some people love hallucinogens, and as long as they aren't driving vehicles or attacking people I am not going to judge them for that, and I do not feel possession should result in felony charges and prison, but they are clearly unsafe for unsupervised consumption by the general public. The cultures who ritually use them for religious purposes do so with respect and preparation. Bad idea to take these substances and walk around the city after midnight, especially if you are carrying a knife and have a propensity for violence.

[SeaxyBeast]

I hate how we pay for the criminals. It's ridiculous. They do something bad, and then the taxpayers have to pay to bring them to justice?

Every dollar spent to try to get an at-risk student to complete high school and on to a trade or college saves a bunch more dollars down the road in incarceration costs. Dropouts are 3.5 times more likely to be arrested and 8 times more likely to be incarcerated.

Not everyone can or wants to make it through HS, but even geting 10% more to graduate would measurably reduce crime and put a dent in prison populations.

[Blackfeather]

Generally speaking, its because you chose to ingest the drugs, alcohol, etc. If you were unknowingly drugged, you might have a good defense. I also think, but I'm not sure, that it matters if they are claiming that its a premeditated murder. It might be harder to prove that you planned to murder the person if you were that far gone even though you voluntarily put yourself into the position of taking drugs and causing their death. Maybe the difference between being charged with first degree versus second degree murder.

Honestly, the issue there lies in all the gang bangers who get high and kill people. It could be considered premeditated, but maybe they were out for a drive and someone pissed them off? Excuses like these in regards to lesser drugs set the standard. So when someone can't even control what they are seeing and doing kills someone, there can't be an excuse. Honestly, I think the guy opted out of any lesser sentencing because he knew he deserved it.

[Blackfeather]

Yaknow what's actually creepy about these stories is how many times the individuals that attacked invision godsatan, or demonic forces.they also tend to not remember much. It's also creepy how they end up.eating bodyparts and ripping them out,etc. Very beast or animal like , very unsettling. Things like this make me start to question were they under the control of something or was something awakened by these chemicals.

Yes, it's called faith. Ever hear of someone in India have hallucinations of a Christian demon or hell? They usually don't, if they aren't used to seeing images of it or believing in it.

[tyr_shadowblade]

Yes, it's called faith. Ever hear of someone in India have hallucinations of a Christian demon or hell? They usually don't, if they aren't used to seeing images of it or believing in it.

All religions have their demons, and there are many hells. It is complicated and our knowledge is limited, but hallucinogens give some people a glimpse of the hidden badness and their mind is unable to process it so they attack out of fear . . . or, in some cases, the badness suppressed within themselves takes over and they commit acts they probably never would have done had they been sober. The effects are very unpredictable, as everyone has different spiders in their heads, and half the time (especially with chemicals) you really have no idea what you're taking . . . there are over 50 different substances marketed as "LSD" and I'm sure there are analogs for XTC and DMT as well. Even the guy who sold it to you probably doesn't know what he's selling. I don't like unpredictable.

[Blackfeather]

All religions have their demons, and there are many hells. It is complicated and our knowledge is limited, but hallucinogens give some people a glimpse of the hidden badness and their mind is unable to process it so they attack out of fear . . . or, in some cases, the badness suppressed within themselves takes over and they commit acts they probably never would have done had they been sober. The effects are very unpredictable, as everyone has different spiders in their heads, and half the time (especially with chemicals) you really have no idea what you're taking . . . there are over 50 different substances marketed as "LSD" and I'm sure there are analogs for XTC and DMT as well. Even the guy who sold it to you probably doesn't know what he's selling. I don't like unpredictable.

I agree. But I wonder what people would see if they had no ideas of demons and hells in their minds. I imagine it would resort to more primal fears and one would be fighting a bear or something... Though, one could argue that's how such ideas of demons and hells come about, seeing as most tribal groups used a lot of hallucinogens and mental disorders come up with weird ideas. Also, that's why people are starting to buy home testing kits to test their own drugs. Mushrooms are one of those that just don't seem to have a control.

[parbajtor]

gotta wonder what was going through his head at the time... i wonder if he even remembers any of it?

We've had a couple of similar incidents over here in the past. Usually attributed to long term heavy steroid use.
I wonder if the mushrooms brought that out.

[Gollnick]

Steroids and such certainly could contribute. While I have no specific knowlege of the case in question, it wouldn't surprise me if these guys were heavy caffeine users which is not illegal. Alcohol might have been involved too. All of these things can combine to unpredictable results.


As for religiously-oriented hallucinations, a person who was raised in a predominately-Christian environment may see himself as Jesus fighting Satan. A person who was raised in an Islamic environment may see himself as Mohamad fighting Satan. A Hindu may see himself as Rama fighting Ravana.

[rustyrazor]

as i see it this whole story is typical of the news taking something that is already pretty horrible, and blowing it waaaay out of proportion. MMA was'nt the cause of this, nor likely were the mushrooms even combined with coffee and or red bull... and most likely not even relegion played too much of a role. there is obviously more to this story than we have read and probably more that the investigators and psychs are trying to piece together as it is. Although i no longer deal with most of these vices and foolishness, i have in my varied past done all of these activities, mostly never combined so i can't attest to how they mix, however any of these things are highly unlikely to affect an average "mentally stable" person in any such a way to react like he did.

[JayGoliath]

I was thinking the same thing. Now everybody's going to see an MMA fighter and think he is going to rip out their hearts.

When asked if he would do anything facing an aggressive man running with a knife, answer from Guro Randy,AMOK was :RUN for your life.
MMA or not, the ideal is to handle multiple attacks and angles hence making survival from attacks possible but not invincible IF YOU COULDN'T OUTRUN THE ATTACKER (bottom line is still escaping the situation and not heroically taking down the bugger even if you have rights to arms). There hasn't been any proof that martial arts will get you free from attacks EVERY TIME.(Been reading too many MacYoung lately)
The front-line accentuating MMA was to get the Sheeples to aware of the growing numbers of martial-arts trained citizens and classify them into a clove of " Lynn Thompson Effect"- to defame a seemingly volatile personnel capable of imposing threats, even with bad breaths. Knife-rights anyone?

Noticed that he was under influence and there's no background check on his history. It could be personnel vendetta or dumb, provocative conversations that lead to the attack and we may never be totally known to the truth.

[Nntrance]

When asked if he would do anything facing an aggressive man running with a knife, answer from Guro Randy,AMOK was :RUN for your life.
MMA or not, the ideal is to handle multiple attacks and angles hence making survival from attacks possible but not invincible IF YOU COULDN'T OUTRUN THE ATTACKER (bottom line is still escaping the situation and not heroically taking down the bugger even if you have rights to arms). There hasn't been any proof that martial arts will get you free from attacks EVERY TIME.(Been reading too many MacYoung lately)
The front-line accentuating MMA was to get the Sheeples to aware of the growing numbers of martial-arts trained citizens and classify them into a clove of " Lynn Thompson Effect"- to defame a seemingly volatile personnel capable of imposing threats, even with bad breaths. Knife-rights anyone?

Noticed that he was under influence and there's no background check on his history. It could be personnel vendetta or dumb, provocative conversations that lead to the attack and we may never be totally known to the truth.

[JayGoliath]

Nntrance,

Excuse my english. It might not be clear.
I agree with TheAndrew on how the public perceive such gore perpetuated by the practice of MMA. Had the person determined enough, he would have used whatever method he could even he wasn't trained in martial arts to perform such terrible act.
For what i have seen and read, committing murder on another needs motivation in terms of vengeance or stimulant, be it money, freedom or influence of substance and i certainly couldn't see myself going for any of these unless provoked. To rip out one's heart; going through the rip cage and pull it out with bare hands aren't just your daily acts.

[Nntrance]

Nntrance,

Excuse my english. It might not be clear.
I agree with TheAndrew on how the public perceive such gore perpetuated by the practice of MMA. Had the person determined enough, he would have used whatever method he could even he wasn't trained in martial arts to perform such terrible act.
For what i have seen and read, committing murder on another needs motivation in terms of vengeance or stimulant, be it money, freedom or influence of substance and i certainly couldn't see myself going for any of these unless provoked. To rip out one's heart; going through the rip cage and pull it out with bare hands aren't just your daily acts.

Ok I understand and I agree completely

[Bufford]

I doubt it had anything to do with drugs particularly mushrooms. Its another excuse to cover over premeditated murder.

[Goosey]

I doubt it had anything to do with drugs particularly mushrooms. Its another excuse to cover over premeditated murder.

How do you figure that?

[rustyrazor]

+1 for that... "magic" mushrooms likely had very little to do with this equation, as they are generally regarded as a pretty mild drug and more "friendly" than most... thats why all the hippies did em (free love man) although anything is possible, i believe there is a lot more to this story than "oh, i ate mushrooms and fought the devil" this guy could have wanted to off his friend for 10 years for all we know, for any number of reasons. to say the Psilocybin mushrooms were to blame is about as rational as saying his religion was at fault... afterall, he was fighting the devil.