I know this is a very big thing in the knife community and i also believe that it is very wrong.
I just the other day saw people i know talking about buying fake xm18s from a certain knock off site and saying how they will pass them off as the real thing.
The question i would like to ask to you guys is would you guys have as much of a problem with the fakes as you do know if they re-branded the fakes with a new emblem, labeled what steel they used on them, said in the description of the item that they are not affiliated with the true maker in anyway, that what they are doing is simply a replica of the real knife.
I personally wouldnt think so lowly of the rip offs if they did something like that, car company's steal designs all of the time and just change minor things and emblems and people dont have that big of a problem. Also people buy kits to replicate older rare cars or new very expensive cars and people dont have a problem with that.
Just because you can't see the difference doesn't mean it isn't there; it just means you can't see it.
Every cutlery alloy is good for something. No cutlery alloy is good for everything.
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It doesn't make any difference to me whether it has the makers mark or another name it is still someone's intellectual property
If they make it obvious that it's a replica, it's not quite as bad as them trying to replicate it to the point where people have a hard time telling them apart. As somebody mentioned a while back, fakes don't really hurt the companies because knife makers like CRK, Strider, Hinderer target a certain type of customers.
The people who would spend $400-800 on a knife would not buy a fake even if it's nearly like the real thing, because they know it is NOT the real thing. The people who would buy the fakes are the ones who can't afford the real thing or are unwilling to drop that kind of a coin for the real thing. So those companies aren't really losing any business because of the fakes. Those people wouldn't be buying from them anyways.
The biggest problem is when someone tries to sell a fake as the real thing.
In almost all respects I agree with the community here. Theft is theft, whether you admit it or try and hide it.
But that said, there are some $80 hindelels that are pretty sweet looking...
Ask Mick Strider or Rick Hinderer what they think of copies...
oh i bought this knife from benchmade for 5 dollar!!!! wow it failed that company sucks.
Basically it ruins the rep of companies and has led to people crying for blood
I guess what bothers me is how biased the issue can be. Take for example Kershaw's China-made knockoff of the old Buck design^.
Nobody accuses Kershaw of being a design thief. Why not? How is this not a stolen design?
And this design...
... doesn't belong to Kershaw either.
I love Kershaw. I am not bashing the company. I am simply pointing out that all this fuss over design primacy is at best unrealistic.
Counterfeit is fraud and never the real thing. Passing something off and selling it as something that it is not is unethical, immoral and illegal.
did you just say that you heard people talking about buying fake hinderers and selling them as real ones? if they were on here or youtube id inform everyone.
A distinction has to be made between a copy and a counterfeit.
Copies are good, and legal absent any patent protection. Counterfeits are bad, and not legal, being fraudulent in nature.
I don't have a problem with copies, because they don't harm the makers of the original. I doubt a Sebenza has ever lost a sale to a SRM 710, for example.
On the other hand, counterfeits are made with the express intent of taking sales away from the original. I don't like counterfeits.
Now don't get me wrong guys, im not defending the fake thieves im just simply asking if they stoped making exact copies of knives and started making same in terms of looks but different in branding and materials would it make a difference to you?
When you get right to it if they don't copy the logo then the only thing they share is looks, quality materials and fit and finish will be no where near the same
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