What are we apologizing for exactly?

[Codger_64]

AC/DC worked in Gitmo. Thankfully they didn't use Yoko Ono.

[eyeeatingfish]

So you don't have that occasional jerk who can't be placated no matter what and just wants to make a commotion? How do you deal with that guy?

At my jail we have a restraint chair, kidney belt TASER, and O.C.

Oh we get them occasionally. There have been a few times where I have managed to calm the person down when other coworkers were ready to put the hurt on the person out of frustration. If they are absolutely determined to be a dick then well physical force can be necessary but not be resorted to first.

[eyeeatingfish]

AC/DC worked in Gitmo. Thankfully they didn't use Yoko Ono.

Interesting thought but as I have read sensory deprivation can actually cause physical brain damage. So which is a bigger torture?

[eyeeatingfish]

That's fine, but that doesn't apply here. Treating them "nice" isn't going to buy us anything, they aren't interested in coexisting or getting along.

Who is they? Terrorist aren't interested but average muslims probably are.

[timcsaw]

Oh we get them occasionally. There have been a few times where I have managed to calm the person down when other coworkers were ready to put the hurt on the person out of frustration. If they are absolutely determined to be a dick then well physical force can be necessary but not be resorted to first.

Sounds like the persons you were able to calm down were reasonable people. Terrorists aren't. I talked to a "terrorist" once through the fence... if I'd had 10 soldiers behind me pointing guns at the guy, he'd have killed me in a second if he'd had the opportunity even though he knew he'd be killed immediately. Some people cannot be reasoned with.

[timcsaw]

On a related note, I see this morning that Hillary is saying that this was a planned terrorist attack.

A coordinated attack (in multiple locations) on the anniversary of 9/11 with RPGs etc. used to kill our people... Gee, who'd have guessed it was a planned, terrorist attack? (evidently not Obama as he went of to campaign and evidently no one in his administration except Hillary.) Who knew what and when? I suspect we'll see the use of some more of that "Executive Privilege" any day now...

[Codger_64]

One person involved is allegedly a former Gitmo prisoner who was released to Libya under the terms that he was to remain in prison. Quidhoffi let him out.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/interna...ehfHpD1iZfae7J

[Triton]

Who is they? Terrorist aren't interested but average muslims probably are.

Who are the "average muslims?" I would submit that the "average muslim" is supporting the terrorists or they have moved out of the middle east.

[eyeeatingfish]

Who are the "average muslims?" I would submit that the "average muslim" is supporting the terrorists or they have moved out of the middle east.

There are obviously extremists that we will probably never be able to change their hearts or minds. But there is a certain percentage of people who are on the fence. Depending on what action we take may push them to one side or another. We can affect their hearts and minds to the point that they become terrorists/terrorist supporters or someone who would be against terrorist activities. Besides, the average muslim probably doesn't have enough money to just pick up everything and leave.
We will never kill all the terrorists. Just like the drug war the only way to truly stop it is to change their hearts and minds.

[somber]

I see that no one has mentioned that since the attack on the United States Embassy in Libya that the Libyans have since stormed the compounds held by the extremists who were involved in the coordinated attack:

BENGHAZI, Libya - Hundreds of protesters stormed the compound of one of Libya's strongest armed Islamic extremist groups Friday, evicting militiamen and setting fire to their building as the attack that killed the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans sparked a public backlash against armed groups that run rampant in the country and defy the country's new, post-Moammar Gadhafi leadership.
Armed men at the administrative center for the Ansar al-Shariah militia, suspected to have led the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Benghazi consulate, first fired in the air to disperse the crowd, but eventually withdrew from the site with their weapons and vehicles after it was surrounded by waves of protesters shouting "No to militias."

Libyans, foreground, pass by a demonstration by Ansar al-Shariah and other Islamic militias, background, as they march against the militias in Benghazi, Libya, Friday, Sept. 21, 2012. Hundreds of protesters stormed the compound of one of Libya's strongest armed Islamic extremist groups Friday, evicting militiamen and setting fire to their building as the attack that killed the U.S. ambassador and four other Americans sparked a public backlash against armed groups that run rampant in the country and defy the country's new, post-Moammar Gadhafi leadership. (The Associated Press)

"I don't want to see armed men wearing Afghani-style clothes stopping me in the street to give me orders, I only want to see people in uniform," said Omar Mohammed, a university student who took part in the takeover, which protesters said was done in support of the army and police.

No deaths were reported in the incident, which came after tens of thousands marched in Benghazi in a rally against armed militias. A vehicle was also burned at the compound, which was taken over by Libyan security forces after its occupants fled.
For many Libyans, last week's attack on the U.S. Consulate in the eastern city of Benghazi was the last straw with one of the biggest problems Libya has faced since Gadhafi's ouster and death around a year ago - the multiple mini-armies that with their arsenals of machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades are stronger than the regular armed forces and police

source

[timcsaw]

I see that no one has mentioned that since the attack on the United States Embassy in Libya that the Libyans have since stormed the compounds held by the extremists who were involved in the coordinated attack:

source

Glad to hear about this. "Hundreds" vs. "tens of thousands" isn't very encouraging, but at least it's a start.

[somber]

Glad to hear about this. "Hundreds" vs. "tens of thousands" isn't very encouraging, but at least it's a start.

Can you clarify your statement? It's ambiguous because from the context you're saying that only 'hundreds' anti-militia protesters marched against 'tens of thousands' of extremists, when in actuality tens of thousands marched against the militias and hundreds actually stormed their compounds evicting them. There was no mention of how many supporters the pro-militias had.

Hundreds of protesters stormed the compound of one of Libya's strongest armed Islamic extremist groups Friday, evicting militiamen and setting fire to their building as the attack that killed the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans sparked a public backlash against armed groups that run rampant in the country and defy the country's new, post-Moammar Gadhafi leadership.

No deaths were reported in the incident, which came after tens of thousands marched in Benghazi in a rally against armed militias. A vehicle was also burned at the compound, which was taken over by Libyan security forces after its occupants fled.

[timcsaw]

Can you clarify your statement? It's ambiguous because from the context you're saying that only 'hundreds' anti-militia protesters marched against 'tens of thousands' of extremists, when in actuality tens of thousands marched against the militias and hundreds actually stormed their compounds evicting them. There was no mention of how many supporters the pro-militias had.

Yes, I didn't mean to imply that hundreds went directly up against tens of thousands of extremists and ousted them from this camp... only that tens of thousands of extremists participated in the riots/killing, and that only hundreds showed up at one camp... In the big picture, that isn't a very favorable ratio overall.

[OliverH]

I see that no one has mentioned that since the attack on the United States Embassy in Libya that the Libyans have since stormed the compounds held by the extremists who were involved in the coordinated attack:

Because that would interfere with the simplistic though politically useful narrative whereby "they all hate us."

[timcsaw]

Because that would interfere with the simplistic though politically useful narrative whereby "they all hate us."

Or... perhaps some of us hadn't heard about it until it was mentioned by Somber. As I said, I was glad to hear about it (even though I think "they all hate us" ) even though the number ratio isn't very encouraging.

[somber]

Or... perhaps some of us hadn't heard about it until it was mentioned by Somber. As I said, I was glad to hear about it (even though I think "they all hate us" ) even though the number ratio isn't very encouraging.

Speak unsubstantiated claims and personal opinions as fact until proven wrong - seems to be the standard around here.

[Codger_64]

Stating one's opinion is acceptable. Including the unsupported, unsubstantiated personal opinion you just posted.

[timcsaw]

Speak unsubstantiated claims and personal opinions as fact until proven wrong - seems to be the standard around here.

What ARE you on about? You want me to substantiate my claim that I hadn't heard about it or that the numbers don't encourage me? What are you talking about????

[somber]

What ARE you on about? You want me to substantiate my claim that I hadn't heard about it or that the numbers don't encourage me? What are you talking about????

It's an accurate assessment of BladeForums Political Arena. No one on here posts sources for the claims they make; most of the claims made on this forum by the major 'players' (Triton, timcsaw, BlackKnight, et al) are simply regurgitated unsubstantiated propaganda that time after time have been proven as wrong, ie President Obama is a Muslim, a Communist, has a fake birth certificate, etc.

[Triton]

It's an accurate assessment of BladeForums Political Arena. No one on here posts sources for the claims they make; most of the claims made on this forum by the major 'players' (Triton, timcsaw, Preacher Man, et al) are simply regurgitated unsubstantiated propaganda that time after time have been proven as wrong, ie President Obama is a Muslim, a Communist, has a fake birth certificate, etc.

I challenge you to point out where I've ever said that the obama was a muslim or had a fake birth certificate. As for being a communist, I doubt he's the card carrying variety but his policies obviously (hey let's seize wealth from some peopel and redistribute it to others) certainly have some fairly obvious similarities. That aside, if you actually took the time to read my posts you might notice that I almost invariably provide a quote and a link with every topic that I start.

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