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    Quote Originally Posted by jdm61 View Post
    There is no such thing as a "tax free shelter" offshore unless you want to commit a crime. Furthermore, what would be the point of having an illegal tax haven, whihc is what the Obama campaign has been trying to imply, if you reported ti to the IRS and the press?
    According to HP and Microsoft there are...
    http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/20/tech...re-tax-havens/

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    Quote Originally Posted by UffDa View Post
    I read that Romney also paid an average annual effective federal tax rate of 20.2% over the years.
    You mean that's what you read from what Romney's people said. He doesn't have a history of being truthful, but if it were the truth, why not just release his tax returns, just like his father did, and prove everyone wrong. I want to see what he really does when no one is looking, how he manages his money when it's not a political year, how he games the system instead of paying the same opportunity costs that you and I pay.

    Releasing a single return wouldn't prove anything, [George Romney] told the magazine's senior editor, T. George Harris. It could be a fluke, or even a cynical manipulation designed to make the candidate look good. What really mattered was how a candidate managed his personal finances over the long haul.
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    Apart from Romney being a habitual liar, the news media is showing how Romney has purposefully raised his taxes to 14% so as to conform to the narrative that he pays 14% taxes. He has 3 years to amend his 2011 tax returns and will probably do so should he not win the elections.

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    See how this works? Bait everyone into talking about Romney's taxes and people will forget to talk about what's really important; Obama's lousy economy, jobless rate, debt, gun-running, etc. and the fact that he doesn't have a record he can run on.
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    Those are corporations paying foreign taxes on foreign income and not repatriating the money back to the US. You can't do that as an individual.
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    According to HP and Microsoft there are...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordic Viking View Post
    Apart from Romney being a habitual liar, the news media is showing how Romney has purposefully raised his taxes toReally? 14% so as to conform to the narrative that he pays 14% taxes. He has 3 years to amend his 2011 tax returns and will probably do so should he not win the elections.
    Really? A where did you get your information abourt Romney being a "habitual liar?" Everything that I have seen would lead one to belive that the ONLY thing that the Dems can trhow at hime is this BS about him being eveil because he only paid the taxes that he owed but that was at a rate lower than someone other than you paid.. The guy is a squeaky clean MORMON.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timcsaw View Post
    See how this works? Bait everyone into talking about Romney's taxes and people will forget to talk about what's really important; Obama's lousy economy, jobless rate, debt, gun-running, etc. and the fact that he doesn't have a record he can run on.
    The tax thing is really all that the Dems have that THEY feel is substantive. The "class card" is their lone strategy for this election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdm61 View Post
    Really? A where did you get your information abourt Romney being a "habitual liar?" Everything that I have seen would lead one to belive that the ONLY thing that the Dems can trhow at hime is this BS about him being eveil because he only paid the taxes that he owed but that was at a rate lower than someone other than you paid.. The guy is a squeaky clean MORMON.
    Here's a couple lies - 530, actually.

    Romney tells 530 lies in 30 weeks

    Last I heard he was up to 617 verifiable lies - if you believe the 'fact-checkers'
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    Quote Originally Posted by somber View Post
    Here's a couple lies - 530, actually.

    Romney tells 530 lies in 30 weeks

    Last I heard he was up to 617 verifiable lies - if you believe the 'fact-checkers'
    A lie and a difference of opinion isn't the same thing... I believe Obama went on an "apology tour" also... but things like the following do help the author/"fact checker" print a big, exaggerated number I suppose.

    1. Romney campaigning in Iowa on Sunday: “[W]hen the president went around at the beginning of his term and apologized for America around the world, it made us just heartsick.”

    He’s lying; the president never apologized for America. Romney knows this, but he keeps making the claim anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdm61 View Post
    The tax thing is really all that the Dems have that THEY feel is substantive. The "class card" is their lone strategy for this election.
    This isn't true. However, why not explain one more time how the whole "47%" rant that Romney went on, and which people right here on the forum are cheering him for, isn't playing the "class card?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by somber View Post
    Here's a couple lies - 530, actually.

    Romney tells 530 lies in 30 weeks

    Last I heard he was up to 617 verifiable lies - if you believe the 'fact-checkers'
    And what is Obama's count?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MVF View Post
    And what is Obama's count?
    You have the same resources I do, find it yourself.
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    ...the fact that they were teenagers or female would not have stopped me from pulling out both my knives and turning into a spinning cyclone of death.

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    You have the same resources I do, find it yourself.
    In the name of equality, non-bias, non-partisanship etc. I figured you'd be equally familiar with both candidates.
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    Timcsaw, here is a good one that shows obamas lies in his own words

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    Quote Originally Posted by timcsaw View Post
    In the name of equality, non-bias, non-partisanship etc. I figured you'd be equally familiar with both candidates.
    I'm traveling on a business trip right now and using a phone to post, but if you need someone to find this information for you is be happy to do so at a later time. I figured you would have already done this research yourself given that it would only provide more fodder for you to besmirch Obama instead of repeating the same tag lines ad nauseaum - i.e. his birth certificate is a fake, he's a Muslim, he's a communist agent, et cetera...
    Quote Originally Posted by paranoidsentry View Post
    ...the fact that they were teenagers or female would not have stopped me from pulling out both my knives and turning into a spinning cyclone of death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somber View Post
    You have the same resources I do, find it yourself.

    if you don't know how many lies Obama has told, how do you know whether Romney is better or worse?

    Let me guess- you don't really care. Just like the smears about his taxes, truth doesn't matter, just the sound bite

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    Quote Originally Posted by somber View Post
    I know you like making anti-Obama statements, but please, provide some sources for these statements, it would go a long way.

    "I heard Obama eats babies and that Romney stands at traffic stops helping grandma's cross. True story."
    You see, I don't make this stuff up:

    Yet for the Stampses, who have been writing $600 monthly checks to “Willard M. Romney” for 15 years, the money they borrowed from him to buy their home in 1997 was life-changing.

    The mortgage is the last vestige of a troubled, and previously unreported, investment by Mr. Romney in Texas real estate in 1982, before he struck it rich as the wunderkind of Bain Capital. And while the Stampses’ happy ending is a counterpoint to the image, seized upon by political opponents, of Mr. Romney as a cold, calculating financier, the episode also offers an early illustration of his appetite for deals promising low risk and high return.

    Lured by the prospect of buying five rent-to-own houses in the Houston suburbs without putting up any of his own money, Mr. Romney jumped into a speculative deal geared toward “affluent free enterprise capitalists who desire a quality investment with tax shelter benefits,” according to a prospectus. Based on frothy assumptions of a never-ending real estate boom, it was unlike the data-driven, analytical investments that came to define his later successes at Bain Capital.

    The result was a rare Romney flop: The housing market soon collapsed, and he was stuck renting out the houses for years before unloading them, mostly at a loss, in the late 1990s, according to property records. The renters were offered the first chance to buy, but the Stampses could not qualify for a mortgage, recalled Mr. Stamps, who at the time had recently lost his job at an oil company.

    “Then I got this phone call, personally, from Mr. Romney, asking if we really wanted to buy the house,” Mr. Stamps, 63, said in an interview the other day at the barbershop he now runs. “I said, yes we did. And he said he would loan us the money. He really helped us when we needed it.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/us...agewanted=1&hp

    As Romney told it, one of his partners, Bob Gay, came to him one day and said that his daughter had gone to a party in New York City, “without permission,” and had not returned home to Connecticut.

    Immediately, Romney shut down Bain’s Boston headquarters and flew with his staff to New York to help find the teenager.

    Romney said he set up a command center at a hotel and had clerks at Duane Reade stores stuff flyers featuring a photo of the girl into shopping bags. (Bain was an investor in the drugstore chain.) Then he and his team recruited Bain’s lawyers and accountants to help in the search.

    “So there we were, a bunch of folks in suits walking around in the park of New York and in the streets and showing pictures and saying, when we saw teenagers, ‘Have you seen this girl?’” Romney recalled.

    “There were all these guys walking around asking kids if they’d seen a picture of this young lady, guys in suits and briefcases, and it made some big item in the news, and we got a call into our hotline,” he said.

    Someone called asking for a reward, Romney said, but he hung up after he was put on hold. “We were able to trace that call, go to that home – it was in New Jersey – and we found her in the basement of that home,” Romney said.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ENpR_blog.html

    Then of course there's the fact that Romney donated 30% of his income to charity... while the obama donated 1%.

    In short these are not "anti-obama statements" so much as they are pointing out the truth about the two men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordic Viking View Post
    Apart from Romney being a habitual liar, the news media is showing how Romney has purposefully raised his taxes to 14% so as to conform to the narrative that he pays 14% taxes. He has 3 years to amend his 2011 tax returns and will probably do so should he not win the elections.
    Just so we are clear here in your mind Romney is a "habitual liar" (what lies has he told by the way?) while the obama is straight forward and honest?

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    Let's look at the first "lie."

    . Romney campaigning in Iowa on Sunday: “[W]hen the president went around at the beginning of his term and apologized for America around the world, it made us just heartsick.”

    He’s lying; the president never apologized for America. Romney knows this, but he keeps making the claim anyway.
    Actually it's the "fact checker" that is lying. The obama did in fact go on a world wind apology tour all over the world it's a matter of public record.

    Then there's this one:

    4. Romney in New Hampshire on Wednesday said President Obama seeks “a ‘European-style welfare state’ to redistribute wealth and create ‘equal outcomes’ regardless of individual effort and success.”

    This isn’t just a lie, it’s also “Glenn Beck-level insane.”
    Once again, based upon all the evidence it would appear that once more it is the fact checker that is lying. It would appear that you need yourself a new fact checker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somber View Post
    I figured you would have already done this research yourself given that it would only provide more fodder for you to besmirch Obama instead of repeating the same tag lines ad nauseaum - i.e. his birth certificate is a fake, he's a Muslim, he's a communist agent, et cetera...
    Now who has told a lie?

    Show me where I have repeated "the same tag lines ad nauseaum". Quote my posts where I call his birth certificate a fake, where I've said he's a Muslim or communist agent, or withdraw this charge/LIE that I have said these things.

    See how that works? (pant's on fire)
    Pro 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
    Pro 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

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