I think the President's problem is his professional education, rather than ability

**jdm61** · 10-08-2012, 06:39 PM

They ALL do it. I have been told by numerous people who have met him that George W. Busgh was totaly different sounding and MUCH more comfortable working the room instead of giving a speech. Even Romney sounds different when he is at the podium. Now I will say that is suspect that Ross Perot sounded the like the same ADHD psycho Pomeranian no matter where he was.

Originally Posted by annr

Agreed. For this reason, I didn't think I could watch the debates, but his performance was so poor I felt like it was the SNL skit (w/ less humor on his part) and kept viewing.

What is it? Hmm, I always feel like I am being given an unwanted sermon or lecture that is all wasted calories.

**t1mpani** · 10-08-2012, 10:48 PM

I think it happens when you're constantly telling yourself not to mumble, and are trying to pace yourself so you don't run out of voice half way through your speaking or get going so fast you become unintelligible. Public speaking is a bit of an art, and like most art, the vast majority of practitioners aren't very good. Reagan's training as an actor (back when actors actually still trained in things like projection, diction, etc.) served him very well in his political life.

**Triton** · 10-09-2012, 10:04 AM

The other thing to consider is the audience. When a large part of your audience believes that sublime communicatation consists of messages like: "wut r u doin" the bar isn't set very high in terms of communication. They consider the obama to be a "great speaker" because he can string a couple of complete sentences together.

**annr** · 10-09-2012, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Triton

The other thing to consider is the audience. When a large part of your audience believes that sublime communicatation consists of messages like: "wut r u doin" the bar isn't set very high in terms of communication. They consider the obama to be a "great speaker" because he can string a couple of complete sentences together.

Good point.

Additionally, how does one explain the positive opinion of voters who went to grammar school, high school, college--anyone who has taken an English class, debating class, etc,....and gotten a C+ or higher? And what about people with advanced degrees from Ivy league schools, scientists, lawyers (like the ones I see here)? How do those folks think he is the brightest candidate ever and a fabulous speaker?

This I can not understand.

What do they hear that I do not?

**Codger_64** · 10-09-2012, 11:25 AM

I think that falls into the "don't call my baby ugly" school of thought. Everyone's child is above average.

**not2sharp** · 10-09-2012, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Mannlicher

and we just don't know a dang thing about his 'education'. We don't know his classes, his grades, his professors, his funding.............................not a dang thing.

The man seems to have been created out of whole cloth, and birthed, fully grown.

There is a documentary circulating called Obama 2016; you should see it, it does a good job of pulling together Obama's story and tries to determine what is driving the guy.

Link:
http://www.google.com/movies?hl=en&n...ed=0CCEQwAMoBw

n2s

**Noctis3880** · 10-09-2012, 11:30 AM

Isn't this another reason to vote for Romney? Obama's been spoiled by the MSM(and teleprompter) for too long, and it showed in the debate. He won't be held accountable for any screwups like Solyndra and Fast & Furious or the "You Didn't Built That" speech. Romney at least will run the risk of being crucified every time he so much as sneezes in a way that offends someone.

But you get my point right? Romney won't get the nice and convenient media coverups. The media will be working 24/7, all 365 days of the year, all 4 years of his term to crap on his reelection prospects. The only chance in hell Romney will have of being reelected is if he does an outstanding job, and even then I wouldn't be so sure.

**t1mpani** · 10-10-2012, 12:40 AM

Wait a minute, you're not suggesting...accountability?!

**UffDa** · 10-10-2012, 01:47 AM

Originally Posted by MVF

Thank God! I am so tired of hearing him referred to as a great speaker. My first year speech teacher sure wouldn't have thought so!

He is a great speaker as long as he has a teleprompter to read off of and the people operating the teleprompter feed him the correct stuff to read.

He doesn't
do that well when he has to wing it. (Did you know that there are 57 states?)

**Noctis3880** · 10-11-2012, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by t1mpani

Wait a minute, you're not suggesting...accountability?!

Why yes I am. Quite a shocking change that nobody is prepared for, but the practice of which I feel is beneficial for our country. Though in this case, if Romney is elected, I'm sure he'll be screwed no matter what. The best option at that point would be to offer up another Republican candidate for the nomination. But I suspect the MSM will spend the next 4 years making sure that the entire Republican party is unelectable.

**timcsaw** · 10-11-2012, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Noctis3880

Why yes I am. Quite a shocking change that nobody is prepared for, but the practice of which I feel is beneficial for our country. Though in this case, if Romney is elected, I'm sure he'll be screwed no matter what. The best option at that point would be to offer up another Republican candidate for the nomination. But I suspect the MSM will spend the next 4 years making sure that the entire Republican party is unelectable.

Maybe Romney can pull an "Obama-GM'r" and fire and replace a few network CEO's.

**jdm61** · 10-11-2012, 11:30 PM

Noctis, it will be interesting to see the result of last weeks debate as it plays out long term. The Democrats and the media were quite successful from 2000=2008 in demonizing George w. Bush and some of that rubbed off on his party. However, I thknk that they have played that hand way too much since 2008 and a lot of that "work" may have gone out the window last Wednesday when Romney not only showed himself to be MUCH more prepared than Obama, buit also showed 65 million viewers that he was NOTHING like the image of him that the Democrats have been pushing for months. IMO, the Dems got too crazy with their accusations and implications and it has backfired on them.

Originally Posted by Noctis3880

Why yes I am. Quite a shocking change that nobody is prepared for, but the practice of which I feel is beneficial for our country. Though in this case, if Romney is elected, I'm sure he'll be screwed no matter what. The best option at that point would be to offer up another Republican candidate for the nomination. But I suspect the MSM will spend the next 4 years making sure that the entire Republican party is unelectable.