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Are all CRKT M16's made in Taiwan

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by denn, Sep 24, 2005.

  1. denn

    denn

    19
    May 2, 2005
    I like the design but won't buy Taiwan or Chinese knives.
    Thanks Denn
     
  2. Knife Outlet

    Knife Outlet

    Jan 4, 1999
    I understand why you won't buy communist Chinese products but I don't understand Taiwan. Nevertheless, yes, I believe all the M16's are made in Taiwan.
     
  3. mlot51

    mlot51

    208
    Oct 25, 2004
  4. denn

    denn

    19
    May 2, 2005
    Thanks,
    The reason I won't buy Taiwan knives is because I have used Taiwan tools before and they are junk and have always thought the knives would be about the same.
     
  5. Esav Benyamin

    Esav Benyamin MidniteSuperMod Staff Member Super Mod

    Apr 6, 2000
    If the tools and knives were made by the same company, maybe. No reason to think that, though. Lots of good knives from Taiwan.
     
  6. Artfully Martial

    Artfully Martial

    Jun 8, 2005
    M16s are anything but junk. It'll serve me till the day I die, I'm quite confident.
     
  7. Django606

    Django606

    903
    Jul 22, 2005
    ..how old are you?




    Just kidding :D

    Yes, M16/M21s are definitely trustworthy knives. They're a great place to start, it is where I did :)
     
  8. LongDistance

    LongDistance

    319
    May 24, 2004
    chances are, alot of components in your computer right now are made in Taiwan.
     
  9. Keith Montgomery

    Keith Montgomery

    May 9, 2000
    The only place I have ever seen this knife listed as being made in the US is on the New Graham site. Even the CRKT site doesn't say anything about it. Anybody know for sure if this model is indeed made in the US?
     
  10. Knifeclerk

    Knifeclerk

    Jul 16, 2004
    In deed. The one in my store is listed as Taiwan.
    Nothing wrong with them.
     
  11. infamous

    infamous

    562
    Jun 1, 2005
    denn;

    I think your decision to not purchase any knife that is manufactured in Taiwan, is going to cause you to miss out on alot of great quality items.

    You state that you have used various tools, that were manufactured in Taiwan, and your finding's were that they were "junk". There are of course many inexpensive, and low quality products out there, but these items were probably marketed as such, and were meant to be a cheap, affordable tool, and so the quality is of course not going to be comparable to that of a high quality product.

    However, you state that due to using these tools, and experiencing unsatisfactory results, that leads you to assume that any knife made in Taiwan is therefore "Junk". This basically leads me to to assume that your decision is one of bias, and you have not personally used a Taiwanese made knife before, and so you really do not know for sure whether they are junk or not, so just because the tools you purchased were of inferior quality, does not mean that every product manufactured in Taiwan is of inferior quality also.

    In fact, alot of well known American companies, have their products made in other countries, to reduce the cost of manufacturing, and so forth, however this does not mean that the products will be of a lesser quality than if they were made in the U.S. Some companies will have the raw materials shipped from the U.S., to insure that the products will have quality materials, yet they will be manufactured in say for example, Taiwan, simply to reduce manufacturing costs, however the end result can often be comparable to that of a similar item made in the U.S.A. In my opinion, Taiwan is actually one of the better countries for making bladeware, and is not to be mistaken with products made in China.

    In regards to the CRKT M16 Series, they are one of the most successful selling knives in the CRKT product line, and can be seen by some, to be their "flagship" model due to their popularity, and these knives must sell for a reason, for if they were simply cheap, inferior products, they would not be so successful, and so many people would not purchase them.
    I honestly suggest you do a search, and read the various reviews out there, as there are many good reviews, which put the M16 model to the test, and the results were that these knives faired remarkably well, even the zytel models, which feature AUS-6 blades. I personally own a M16-13SF, with aluminium scales, and AUS-8 blade with Ti Nitrate coating, and it is a great item in my opinion, in terms of aesthetics, design, strength, it has the LAWKS system, teflon bearings, dual carson flippers, it is absolutely a great knife for the price. I do not own any other CRKT's, and whilst they are a more inexpensive brand when compared to Spyderco, or Benchmade, they are infact more affordable, and the M16's have got to be one of the better buys for their price range. The M16's, and the M21's, in my opinion are worth the money, and I will admit that these are the only models in the CRKT line, which interest me, and yes they are made in Taiwan, and no they are not "junk" by any means, IMHO.

    I can only advise you, that you do not judge these knives, simply because they are manufactured in Taiwan, and you really have no means to label them as "junk" unless of course you have experienced this particular item.

    The way I see it, a company could have the exact same item made in the U.S., and the result would be the same, however you would have to pay a substantially higher price, simply due to the higher manufacturing costs. Or on the other hand, they could have it made in Taiwan, at a lower cost, which in turn places the knife in your hand at a lower price, but with similar quality to if it was made in the U.S. What would you prefer ? Paying more dollars just so you can have U.S.A stamped on the knife ?

    Maybe the tools you purchased, were of low quality, because they were in fact meant to be a low quality, cheap, affordable alternative to the more expensive tools ?
    You are basically comparing a product from Walmart, to one from Bloomingdales. Both have U.S. made products, but they are meant to be of a different range. It's just like Taiwan, United Cutlery manufactures katana's which are meant to be ornamental smanurai swords, which are known as mostly "wallhangers", however Paul Chen's Hanwai line, is totally of a different quality, and are functional carbon steel, folded and forged swords. Both are manufactured in Taiwan, and are in no way comparable to the other.

    So I advise you to not assume that every product with a "Taiwan" stamp on it, is of inferior quality, and you if you decide to purchase a CRKT M16, it is certainly worth it's price, however if you decide to not purchase any product made outside of the U.S., in my opinion, you will be missing out on the chance to experience some fine knives.
     
  12. MikeZ

    MikeZ

    66
    Aug 2, 2005
    Here's another vote for the M16 line. I've got all three titanium models and they are all solid performers. I was so impressed that I ordered two of the M21 models and I'm expecting them to arrive this week. I was initially concered about the build quality of the Taiwan made knives, but once I had some time in with each one, I completely changed my tune.
     
  13. jefff

    jefff

    747
    May 27, 2005
    Hehe .. I was kinda put off from the Taiwan stamp on the blade at first also.. But I can attest that these CRKT M16-M21 knives are one of the best knives on the market and I have owned! .. I love both of them ..
    And yeah I have had the junk Taiwan ratchet sets and wrench's and no they are like night and day...

    Pssst.. You could do what I did.. just take a Dremal and satin buffing pad and just smooth the blade over that name etched in there.. Then it wont bother ya so much.. hehe

    ~Jeff
     
  14. timjmayer

    timjmayer

    136
    Oct 19, 2003
    I understand you reluctance to buy knives made overseas. I prefer USA made knives and will always buy one as a first choice. Thats said a bunch of CRTK knives are really well made and are of as good a quility knife as a USA made one. I have bought a few, and used a few.

    Would I rather the blade say USA,,,yes sir ! But they are darn good buys and well made,,,so I would rather have them in my collection, then miss out because of my perception towards things made overseas.

    I will say this,,if I was in the Military still, i would only carry a USA made knife on duty..but thats out of USA pride, not quality issues.

    I really like the M16's and the Rollock2's..and both are imports.

    I love the VOODOO also, and thats a USA made knife..but the quality's the same.
     
  15. Dragon_Man

    Dragon_Man

    Apr 26, 2003
    Buying American keeps you and your neighbors employed. :D
     
  16. Robbie Roberson

    Robbie Roberson

    Dec 27, 2003
    I love them, they are a bargain and made very well. And the designer, Kit Carson is my neighbor, :rolleyes: actually the state above me, and that's another reason why I like them. :D

    Robbie Roberson ;)
     
  17. ralph.merlino

    ralph.merlino

    292
    Dec 26, 2004
    Taiwan or no Taiwan, CRKT knives are fine well made knives for the money
     
  18. mlot51

    mlot51

    208
    Oct 25, 2004
  19. GarageBoy

    GarageBoy

    May 23, 2003
    USA makes junk too. Different products made for different markets
     
  20. denn

    denn

    19
    May 2, 2005
    I was not meaning to talk bad about CRKT knives, I think I will try the M16 and then from an opinion on it. I just had never handled a CRKT and didn't want to buy one online and get a low quality knife when I could order from Benchmade or spyderco and get a knife with known high quality. There use of low quality steel such as aus 4 in some model kind of put me off to but if as many of you like them I think they must be well made and will buy one thank you for educating me on these knives
    Thanks Denn
     

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