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Fighter Stance ~ Horseman vs Roadhouse

Discussion in 'Emerson Knives' started by Over Kill, Sep 18, 2012.

  1. Over Kill

    Over Kill Banned

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    From a pure fighter perspective, which would you choose to go into battle with: Horseman or Roadhouse?

    Why?
     
  2. RevDevil

    RevDevil Super Evil Supermod Staff Member Super Mod

    Nov 9, 2009
    Niether.
     
  3. parbajtor

    parbajtor

    Nov 24, 2010
    I'd go into battle with Chuck Norris

    Edit: Roundhouse beats Roadhouse
     
  4. falar

    falar Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jul 7, 2012
    Super Roadhouse.
     
  5. Over Kill

    Over Kill Banned

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    Which emerson folder would you take if not one of those two?
     
  6. gwhysow

    gwhysow

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    The way I see it, both have great features. To me, the most import would be a solid grip, and choil, which both have in spades. Second to that, would be blade shape -- and considering that both have some belly, and a great point, they're both good to go. I personally think that the Horseman/8 fits a little better in the hand, but that's ME. Both are sharper than they need to be, but I wouldn't like to think of any knife as a 'fighter'. If it came to that, I'd rather have a .45, or more importantly, the chance to get out of dodge.

    That said, the correct answer would be "Any Emerson" ;)
     
  7. Over Kill

    Over Kill Banned

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    Many folks share your view and would rather have a gun in a bad situation. I am of the old school, if i can get away with using a knife over a gun I would do it 10 times out of 10 even if my combatant was armed with a firearm. ( this mainly applies only to close quarter combat and it would be foolish to test fate with a knife at long range)
     
  8. prw166

    prw166

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    Apr 16, 2008
    That has to be the dumbest thing I have read on this forum. You never bring a knife to a gun fight. It's not being old school it's being stupid.
     
  9. RevDevil

    RevDevil Super Evil Supermod Staff Member Super Mod

    Nov 9, 2009
    I really like the 15, it's probably my favorite Emerson. The recurve and tanto combination in plain edge is just about perfect for anything you could throw at it.
     
  10. Over Kill

    Over Kill Banned

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    It has been proven that in some circumstances a knife is superior to a gun in close quarter combat. Dont worry, I would not expect that to be common knowledge for most civilians.
     
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2012
  11. ldsabinadi

    ldsabinadi

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    Feb 28, 2012
    Not bashing because I see what you're saying, but ask a law enforcement officer or someone in the military who has been confronted in CQB with a knife and a gun and, in my experience, they unanimously say they'd rather face a gun. From a self defense standpoint (if they are close) if you are able to get the gun off line using either your hands or body movement (or both ideally), if done correctly you can keep the gun offline. A knife however has no "off-line" and can be effective whether you are able to trap the weapon or not.

    Of course what I am saying is contingent upon someone actually knowing how to defend against such attacks (***cough*** Krav Maga ***cough***) which isn't always the case and the attack happens within a short distance, so obviously this doesn't cover long distance views of the topic.

    In my opinion, carry both!!!

    I also like the CQC 15 and the Super 8.
     
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2012
  12. IMightBeWrong

    IMightBeWrong

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    Feb 17, 2011
    A full sized 8 or a Combat Karambit serving only as backup to a larger fixed blade, rifle/shotgun, and pistol. Never go into "battle" with only your Emerson knife. I'm pretty sure Ernie would agree.
     
  13. Over Kill

    Over Kill Banned

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    I would agree as well.
     
  14. prw166

    prw166

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    I am not a civilian and I still think it is the dumbest statement. If a knife were superior in cqc we would be teaching officers to use knives instead of guns in cqc. Knives are used as a last ditch weapon when they cannot get to a firearm. You were talking about facing a gun with a knife unless I miss understood. There are all sorts of scenarios, but if both people already have the weapons out and ready to use the gun wins out 99% of the time. If the knife is already out and the gun is in the holster then you have a point depending on distances.
     
  15. Over Kill

    Over Kill Banned

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    Sticking with my initial statement, I still stand by everything I said concering your comment about the dumbest thing you ever heard...
     
  16. prw166

    prw166

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    I guess we have very different training and experience. I would be interested in what circumstances it has been proven where the knife is superior to the gun.
     
  17. Mike8008

    Mike8008

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    Apr 1, 2012
    The lighter one because I can run faster with it in my pocket.
     
  18. Over Kill

    Over Kill Banned

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    Jul 7, 2010
    Myth: You can pull a gun and shoot a knife attacker before he can kill you if he's at least 20 feet away.
    Fact: If the knife combatant is wearing a vest and already has the knife quietly drawn, he can kill 95% of even the top gun combat experts. Reason: in closing the distance, halfway there, your option to shoot to the head is gone or diminished. If you got even briefly stuck in clothing in your draw, had to chamber or take a safety off, had to set a trigger (eg. either mentally, or*on a revolver), you'll be dead. If you got a shot to his vest and he took your throat out, you lose. If you are a police officer and not trained in immediate head shots, you die. If your shot does not immediately sever his spine or motor cortex (very unlikely in a fast draw/shoot situation), he is VERY LIKELY NOT to miss your eyes or throat, as a knife is FAR more accurate and certain, in it's range, than a gun. The more highly trained you are with a gun the more danger you're in. First: Mozambique will waste two shots center mass and you'll be dead before you can get to the head shot. Second: "Highly trained" means you're constantly worried about the legal ramifications of shooting someone who is unarmed. If the knife thug screamed "I'm unarmed" and charged you, your external carotid, subclavian, throat or eyes will be severed by the time you decide you can shoot. Worst of all: a gun might tempt you to stand your ground, when the safest option was to get the hell out of there!
     
  19. phatboa

    phatboa Gold Member Gold Member

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    Jun 11, 2010
    Emerson Karambit. Enough SAID!!
     
  20. Mike Slayer

    Mike Slayer

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    Oct 22, 2010
    If I had to use a folding knife in battle then that means my rifle, pistol, and fixed blade are down or lost. It also means I am alone and all this tells me one thing. I really messed up somewhere or another. If that is all I had left a Super CQC-8 or UBR Commander would be my choices.
     

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