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Forge Burner plans? Need some

Discussion in 'Shop Talk - BladeSmith Questions and Answers' started by Bruce Bump, Jan 13, 2010.

  1. Bruce Bump

    Bruce Bump KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 2, 1999
    I'm going to teach a 2 hour college class on knife forging and want to make a burner for Show and Tell. Its not a hands on demonstration but more of an informational for beginners as a hobby. I would like both the venturi style and the forced air type. Anybody have a favorite tutorial on the subject? This could help many people here.
     
  2. 12345678910

    12345678910

    Jul 13, 2009
    Indian George for forced air (you have to click "ignore the warning" to get there
    http://www.indiangeorgesknives.com/building_a_forge.html

    and Stacy's hi low controls - JT and Nathan B-silver Pilate? have had some good posts

    Ron Reil and this text for Venturi
    Therd are lots of designs
    http://ronreil.abana.org/design1.shtml


    Gas Burners for forges Furnaces and Kilns-Michael Porter.pdf
    http://www.amazon.com/Gas-Burners-Forges-Furnaces-Kilns/dp/1879535203

    Preview it here
    http://rapidshare.com/files/334511615/Gas_Burners_for_forges_Furnaces_and_Kilns-Michael_Porter.pdf


    plus some links

    http://home.flash.net/~dwwilson/forge/plan1.pdf

    http://home.flash.net/~dwwilson/forge/plan2.pdf

    http://www.zoellerforge.com/simplegasforge.html

    http://www.holisticforgeworks.com/gallery/foundry/img/forge_plans.gif
     
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2010
  3. Bruce Bump

    Bruce Bump KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 2, 1999
    A couple good ones there. The Don Fogg for sure. Anybody have more? Imagine that I was a newbie and wanted to build a small vertical forge. How do it do it?
     
  4. cdent

    cdent

    305
    Aug 28, 2005
    Hi Bruce,

    Not really a tutorial, but you might try the modified sidearm burner at zoellerforge.com. There're links to drawings and faq's that are helpful.

    There are also some basic forge construction tutorials at that site.

    Take care professor:D, get those kids on the right track, Craig

    edit for being a knucklehead and missing the links mentioned above
     
  5. Will Leavitt

    Will Leavitt

    Jul 28, 2006
    You going to teach them about cut and shoots? :p

    I'd love to be there for this class.
     
  6. Rusty McDonald

    Rusty McDonald

    Mar 28, 2007
  7. Bruce Bump

    Bruce Bump KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 2, 1999
    That is about what I was looking for. Myself use a mankel but need a link that the new guy could build a working forge, afforable and easy to follow instructions. This one is all of that. Thanks Rusty. :thumbup:
     
  8. nc_cooter

    nc_cooter

    574
    Sep 26, 2004
    Bruce, the modified sidearm burner shown in that tutorial is an excellent burner. If properly tuned, it will operate from 2# to 30# input pressure.
     
  9. efleming

    efleming

    679
    Jun 6, 2007
    Bruce, I built my very first forge using this tutorial. The side arm burner is great. Very efficent and can hit welding heat easily with properly designed forge body. It's a great place to start but some day they will most likely want to move on to a forced air burner.

     
  10. Bruce Bump

    Bruce Bump KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 2, 1999
    Do You have any forced air burner designs?
     
  11. Dixieblade57

    Dixieblade57

    Jun 20, 2007
    I always like to help a newb, "some helped me out and some still are"! Here is my list.

    http://ronreil.abana.org/design2.shtml

    http://www.arscives.com/bladesign/forge.tutorial.htm


    This next link came from fredlyfx.com and had been posted on this site. It is the design that mine was fabricated from. It has had burner angle modifications, courtesy of Ed Caffrey to create a vortex. The other modifications are of my own design.
    Click thumbnails for larger view:
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    Part1
    http://fredlyfx.com/large propane.htm

    Part2
    http://fredlyfx.com/progress.htm

    http://forgegallery.elliscustomknifeworks.com/

    http://zoellerforge.com/

    Site for parts:
    http://www.rayrogers.com/blower.htm
    http://www.ccallis.com/black_iron_fittings.htm
    http://www.cornerhardware.com/index...page=2&zenid=a322a34851d7fbdaf37b41fc4b9dbf6a



    http://www.blacksmithsdepot.com/Tem...ducts/Forges_and_Parts/blowers/164_CFM_Blower
     
  12. galadduin

    galadduin

    Dec 25, 2004
  13. Bruce Bump

    Bruce Bump KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 2, 1999
    Do you any dimentions and orifice size etc? Looks nice. Is this yours?
     
  14. DAMNENG

    DAMNENG

    408
    Dec 17, 2005
    Bruce

    I could not figure out how to post the design and I don't have a website, so I emailed a design for a hybred burner design. Feel free to share it if you wish.

    Jim Arbuckle
     
  15. efleming

    efleming

    679
    Jun 6, 2007
    Yes. Tall forge with a false bottom. Fully temperature controlled by PID. Holds +- 2 degrees of setting. Temp range is ~1200F to 2500F. Doubles as a salt pot. Remove false bottom to put in sword length salt pot. Bottom burner is used only when full length salt pot is in operation.

    Burner is 14" of 2" black pipe starting at the 75CFM blower then reduced to 1" just after elbow. This config allows for good air/gas mixing. There is also a 1" pipe connector at the end of the 1" pipe as it enters the forge. The tip is kept about 1" back inside the 2" thick kawoal liner to protect it from melting. BTW, this is set up with natural gas running at residential pressure ~.25 PSI (yes 1/4 PSI). The orifice size going into the burner tube is 3/8". Ball valves for adjusting gas flow are also 3/8" as is the smallest orifice size anywere in line. Using NG is all about volume rather than pressure. Nice thing is you are billed on levels of usage. My gas bill does not change if I run this for 32 hours in one month (I'm a weekend maker). What that means is I run my forge for no gas cost and never have to fill tanks. :)

    You can see it at this link --> http://www.flemingknives.com/shoptour.htm

    Just click on the picture of the forge to see detailed views of the burner and control arrangement.

    Hope this helps...

    Eric
     
  16. Toxey

    Toxey

    112
    Oct 11, 2005
  17. Bruce Bump

    Bruce Bump KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 2, 1999
    Hi Eric,
    Thanks for the tour! You have some nice equipment in there. I like your forge allot. Its not for the newbie though. :eek:
     
  18. Bruce Bump

    Bruce Bump KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 2, 1999
    That really is easy to make. It looks like a great burner for a new maker or a small vertical. Thanks Man!
     
  19. amcardon

    amcardon

    919
    Jun 29, 2009
    LOL! Never thought I'd hear Bruce called a newb... :D
     
  20. Bruce Bump

    Bruce Bump KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 2, 1999
    If ya ask a "newb" question, ya get called a "newb" :D
     

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