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Gun stock war club question

Discussion in 'Shop Talk - BladeSmith Questions and Answers' started by Jay Mulcahy, Jan 14, 2006.

  1. Jay Mulcahy

    Jay Mulcahy

    161
    Jun 13, 2004
    I've been thinking of making a gun stock war club, thought it might be a cool project for the winter. I've seen some pictures on the net, but never saw one in person. Does anyone know the rough dimensions of one, and or what size plank I need to get to make one? Thanks.
     
  2. Hey Jay you might wanna try calling Gary. i think i remember him saying something about making one.
     
  3. Wild Rose

    Wild Rose

    Aug 23, 2002
    Originals are generally in the 24-32" x around 1-1.5" thick x up to 8" wide - the one in the Last of the Mohicans movie was made deliberately oversize (about 33%), although there are some pictured by G Catlin approaching that size

    Some examples:
    two by me - both maple stocks.............
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    same one all gussied up western style........
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    another westernized one...........
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    some originals........
    The one that inspired those above - it's 27" long - you can scale from there...
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    others...........
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    These descriptions referto those in the above image.......
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    John Baldwin has a book, "Indian Warclubs" (available from www.crazycrow.com item # 4153-004-255) - not cheap but worth it
     
  4. mete

    mete Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 10, 2003
    Daniel Day-Lewis version of "The Last of the Mohicans" shows one in use .You can get an idea from that. From what I understand great care was taken in that movie to have very authentic weapons and clothing.
     
  5. Wild Rose

    Wild Rose

    Aug 23, 2002
    Well up to a point - the rifle carried by Daniel Day Lewis was built using the techniques and methods of the period, but it is not a recreation of any known style produced during the F & I War period - it's more the directors "idea" of what the hero would/should have carried. As noted above the warclub (based on an original) was built about 1/3 larger for "screen prescence".
    While a highly enjoyable movie it is does have "historical correctness" problems, even though they called in world renowned historian Mark Baker (and others) to act as consultants - Hollywood won out in the long run.
     
  6. crex

    crex

    651
    Oct 4, 2002
    Good stuff Chuck! I never tire of looking at the real-deal or your exquisit work either. As you say Hollywood wins out as that's where the bucks are. Still a great watch though.
    I've made a couple myself, but nothing of your calibre. Thanks for sharing.
    Carl Rex
     
  7. Jay Mulcahy

    Jay Mulcahy

    161
    Jun 13, 2004
    Chuck, thanks for the information and for sharing some pictures (they're worth a thousand words right?). As usual your artistry is amazing!
     
  8. indian george

    indian george

    Feb 15, 1999
    Sounds cool Jay.:cool: Are you planning a Damascus blade????
     
  9. Jay Mulcahy

    Jay Mulcahy

    161
    Jun 13, 2004
    I was actually thinking about using wrought iron, but damascus would look awaesome! Have to get together and get forging after I find a good plank for the stock.
     
  10. J.Ziegler

    J.Ziegler

    117
    Jun 11, 2003
    Jay... I have been thinking of doing one myself. A friend in Kentucky has one hanging on his wall as well as an authentic osage bow and deerskin quiver.
    I was planning on getting a stock from Track of the Wolf that would be accurate to the time frame. If you visit their website you will find many different styles meant for kit guns.

    Jim Ziegler
     
  11. Ilovetoolsteel

    Ilovetoolsteel

    Jul 28, 2003
    Wow those are beautiful, The maple looks great! excelent work. Ever since I saw last of the mohicians I wanted to make a gunstock war club. I have one question, Do they have to have a blade in them?
     
  12. indian george

    indian george

    Feb 15, 1999
    Jay, GrassHoppa brought over some shear steel, that would look cool too.:D I was go to offer the plank of Osage, but I just measured it and it's not thick enough.
     
  13. Raymond Richard

    Raymond Richard

    Jun 17, 2001
    Chuck, Those are some fine looking pieces! Funny for some reason I've thought about Gib a few times in the last couple weeks.....
     
  14. rhrocker

    rhrocker

    Jan 18, 2004
    Were these things thrown, or used in hand to hand? I keep thinking about an adze, that's angled down slightly due to the arc of the swing. These seem to all use straight "points", so I wonder if every now and then they got thrown. Sure doesn't look like a "one time" weapon though.
     
  15. Wild Rose

    Wild Rose

    Aug 23, 2002
    Jim - sorry to say but a ML gunstock would be WAY to fragile to use as a club Muzzleloading gunstocks with the cutouts for the barrel, ramrod, etc leave very thin wood, which is no way strong enough to act as a club. Lots of old guns in fact show wrist repairs. No existing originals or those pictured from the era were ever made of gunstocks for that reason.
    The name came about due to the resemblance to a gunstock NOT because they were made from them.....In fact there is some evidence to at least suggest that clubs were made in this shape even before the Euros showed up on these shores.

    All of the originals I've seen have a blade.

    finally thanks for the compliments - don't put food on the table but sure makes one feel good! ;) :D ;)
     
  16. DWinkler

    DWinkler

    218
    Nov 7, 2005
    I have never posted pictures on this forum before. If this doesn't work I'll try again after I study a bit more.

    Making a Gunstock War Club is a nice diversion from regular work. Karen and I don't do a lot of them, maybe 1 a year or so. Here are a couple of recent clubs we have done.

    By the way the first Gunstock club (oak) that the props department made for Russell Means for "Last of the Mohicans" was to heavy for him to swing around like he wanted to so others were made from light weight pine for actual use in the film.

    Daniel

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  17. Bruce Evans

    Bruce Evans

    Sep 26, 1999
    Way to COOOOOOL !!!!!

    My only other question would be what size are the blades,regular trade blade size? or does it really matter?

    Bruce
     
  18. Wild Rose

    Wild Rose

    Aug 23, 2002
    Howdy Dan - nice to see you here..........as you noted these can get heavy REAL fast.............

    Bruce blades ran the gamu of sizes - some were small, 2-3" others like the Osage original above used a trade blade measuring about 8.5" long by 3.5" wide.

    Later western types often used 3 blades with a very narrow wooden "stock":
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  19. Mark Williams

    Mark Williams Moderator

    Nov 28, 2000
    Glad to see you posting here Daniel. Beautiful stuff from everyone.

    I hear you Ray. I think about Gib quite a bit. I wish I had started talking with him sooner off forum.
     

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