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Knives you would never buy again!

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by outdoorsurvivors, Aug 14, 2013.

  1. outdoorsurvivors

    outdoorsurvivors

    74
    May 5, 2010
    Hi everyone. Just thought this might be an interesting thread. As a disclaimer, this is not a thread to bash knives or their manufacturing companies. I just thought it might be interesting to share why some of us may never buy certain knives again. It doesn't have to be quality related. It could be superstitiously-based reasoning. For my part, I'll share a few.

    1) Hinderer and Collaboration Knives by Rick Hinderer - What can I say. My experiences with the collaboration knives have been less than stellar. I've owned quite a few, and they just aren't up to my picky standards. Out of 3 Kershaw Cryo's I had, 2 snapped torsion bars within a month of use. And I never went back to them. While Kershaw did fix them for me, I gave them to friends at work. The lack of quality control left a bad taste in my mouth. As for his ZT collabs, I owned two 0560's, and while they were great knives with perfect blade lockup, centering, and looks, that darn stiff detent was something I could never get over. One of them was so stiff you had to take a hammer to the flipper to get it to open (a slight exaggeration, but it proves my point.) While I have a soft spot for Hinderer's designs, I've very much been left with a bad taste with the collaborations they've done with him. I've handled a few of his XM-18 and XM-24 models. They're great, well-made knives. But $800+ for a knife I'm going to be afraid to use in my line of work is just too rich for my blood.

    2) The Kershaw Oso Sweet - Great knife, but the one I had must have been possessed or something. I cut myself with it 3 times in a week, and it now sits in my knife drawer all alone, me afraid to use it again haha.

    So share your stories, good, bad, stupid, or silly.
     
  2. midnight flyer

    midnight flyer

    Jan 12, 2009
    Years ago, I had heard that Gerber was on the rebound and had a new line of knives out that were pretty good. Since I had owned Gerbers in the very early 80s that were damn fine knives, I was glad to see them coming back after falling so far in quality.

    I bought the Gerber Paraframe about 10 years ago. Worst knife I ever bought, hands down. The steel was so poorly ground it took some time to even the grinds. The good news is that the steel was so soft it was easy to sharpen. However, the steel was also so soft that simple exposure to air seemed to make it dull.

    Then the screws wouldn't stay tight and the clip came loose constantly. Then the pivot did the same thing. I felt like I shouldn't have to Loctite every single screw on a brand new knife and chalked off the moving screws (all but one on the knife!) to poor tolerances. Then in less than a month, the knife started to come open in my pocket when I carried it. That finished it for me.

    So to summarize: Lousy steel, lousy construction, poor quality materials, poor design and execution. I paid about $25 for that knife and it lasted about a month.

    As a sidebar, I contacted Gerber about the knife and they told me I could send it in to them. They would only accept the knife if I sent it insured, so shipping and insurance was about $10, then my time to pack it up and get it to a shipper. Gerber told me that they would "assess" the knife, and if it needed no repair other than tightening screws and realignment, I would be charged a shop fee of $25, then I would have to pay them $12 to send it back to me.

    No more Gerbers for any reason after that.

    Robert
     
  3. Thursday45

    Thursday45

    122
    Jul 29, 2013
    Cheap knives. I first got started buying knives after graduating from the police academy. I didn't know anything about steels or other materials, what brands to stay away from etc. all I knew was I needed a knife for work and where do people go to when they need knives? Wal-Mart of course. I bought a Gerber Paraframe. It was then a nice enough knife. It had a name I recognized (probably the only brand I would have known then) and a price point I couldn't complain about, something like $13.

    Then I went on to buy a couple of cheap S&W knives that I thought were good deals at the time. I used those for a time but I could't get a good edge on them and they wouldn't hold it even if I could. So I started researching what i was doing wrong and I was introduced to higher production value knives made with higher quality steels and materials. I havent looked back. Now I don't even count the first few knives I bought as part of my collection.
     
  4. bladeboss

    bladeboss

    Mar 6, 2012
    Sog knives. I got a Twitch 2, and a slight breeze makes the blade wiggle.
    Now, I beat the hell out of it for fun because I hate it so much.

    Im very cautious when buying CASE knives because of the shoddy fit and finish, but I still like them.
     
  5. HardTripper

    HardTripper

    Dec 13, 2010
    Ontario Rat 5, too heavy to carry anywhere and not enough length to justify its pack weight. It is also very wide and thick, it just didn't cut well, traded it off for a bnib Buck Hoodlum with someone on kijiiji. Gerber LMF II, first real knife purchase. I thought it was awesome at the time but I grew out of the tacticool knife thing. Eventually the handle came loose so I sent it in, they replaced it with the same model but it was a few years later and the dip in quality was tremendous. The grind, materials, sheath and even the coating were not at all what I had sent in. Sold it off, never again Gerber, I'd buy Ontario again but not the Rat or Tak series.
     
  6. herisson

    herisson

    762
    Mar 11, 2013
    Without diving into quality issues, I consider that most of my knives I would never buy again. I tried them, I used them (or not, for many reasons), I enjoyed them (or not, for many reasons) and now there are so many other brands and models to try ! Guess I still haven't found my ideal knife yet (but everyday I'm getting a better idea of what it could be !).
     
  7. Jamboi

    Jamboi

    374
    Feb 7, 2013
    Kershaw leek. I like the knife a lot, but I broke the tip off of 6 or so. One of them even broke while I was scoring cardboard.

    I am going to try to stay away from anything made of 1095. I have the inability to keep my knives from getting wet. I am also apparently too lazy and forgetful to dry them back off. I left 2 knives outside my tent in my chair and it poured down raining. I ended up spending days trying to remove surface rust and make them pretty again. I dont want to spend more time maintaining my knives than I do actually using them.
     
  8. HuntBomb

    HuntBomb

    Sep 18, 2009
    I too have owned a Gerber Paraframe and it was pathetic. I got stabbed in the hand everytime I reached into my pocket because the blade tip stuck out when closed.
    Ive also had a terrible experience with Queen/S&M. Several slip joints with the worst F+F, grinds, and walk + talk that I've ever experienced. The Daniels family has only one way to go with Queen... And that is up.
    Boker has also earned a spot in my "never buy again" list because I have a few of their slip joints stuffed in a drawer due to lousy quality control. One has such weak springs that there is barely any resistance in the action.

    Spyderco and GEC have spoiled me.
     
  9. JakeSnake

    JakeSnake Gold Member Gold Member

    423
    Jan 25, 2012
    I would have to agree with the Hinderer Collaboration statement. I have now had 2 Cryos and they both snapped the tortion bars, one within 2 weeks of owning it. They both got about as dull as a brick super fast, and from just normal everyday use. the QC was non existent, the blades didn't even have a ball detent hole even though the framelock had the ball. WTF?

    Gerber, there are way too many sadness stories there to even begin. I have a filet knife from them, and when using it to filet a fish (the intended use) the darn tip snapped off. They are just crap, crap crap crap. Well, except for my really really old multitool from them, which has been through hell and is still great.

    I've even had crappy experiences with Benchmade. I had a Mini Griptilian who's pocket clip would constantly be loose, even after locktiteing the screws. Then, my Mini Dejavoo somehow decided that it's pivot would become fused by some magical event and not open. Benchmade couldn't even figure it out so they sent me a new one. For the price tag of their knives. I by no means deem them worthy of that cash.


    SOG= suck. plastic wiggly garbage


    The only companies that have earned my trust are Spyderco, Buck, and CRKT. I have knives from all of them that have withstood some punishment and still remained strong and in great shape.
     
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2013
  10. Aias

    Aias

    Aug 1, 2012
    yeah, SOG Trident (tanto)... and SOG in general, never again.
     
  11. Jamboi

    Jamboi

    374
    Feb 7, 2013
    Bought a knife called a guardian made by fiskars a few months back. The thing was so cheap that if you put some pressure on the blade the handle scales would bend. The blade was also dull straight out of the box. I took it back for a refund.
     
  12. Ernie1980

    Ernie1980 Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 19, 2012
    A strider with the old lockface. I am pretty sure they got blade play just from you looking at them wrong. For a several hundred dollar knife, that was unacceptable. The fit and finish was also unimpressive.
     
  13. Gladius327

    Gladius327

    62
    Jun 26, 2013
    Ontario RTAK 2. Good: Well put together. Bad: Duller than watching MSNBC. Took 6 hours for someone just to put a workable edge on it. A big no, no for a new knife costing $100 plus.
     
  14. 3migo

    3migo

    584
    Feb 23, 2013
    Bradley Alias II. By far the stickiest frame lock I've ever had, I'd have to put such a ridiculous amount of force on the lock bar just to get it to disengage. And then on top of that, it was one of the easiest to over extend, not a good combo. Not bad knives, but I wouldn't own one again.
     
  15. mwhich50

    mwhich50 Basic Member Basic Member

    Jan 18, 2011
    Buck (bantum) and Benchmade (Grips) can't seem to get their blades centered on their value knives. I hate rubbing. I'm done. Why take a chance when there are so many companies that consistantly get it right like Spyderco Ontario, CRKT and Cold Steel.
     
  16. dkb45

    dkb45 Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 16, 2012
    I know it isn't a specific knife, but I will never buy another knife that doesn't have a pocket clip and doesn't open one-handed. Obviously fixed blades are excluded.

    If I ever get a hold of a lanyard clip, I might change the pocket clip part, but I will not get another knife to sit loose in my pocket.

    I might never buy another Emerson, though. A relatively thin liner lock with a less than advanced steel for around $150? Doesn't sound like a deal to me.
     
  17. Nullity

    Nullity

    Jul 28, 2002
    Anything with SpeedSafe and no detent hole.
    SpeedSafe is too unreliable for me.
     
  18. dkb45

    dkb45 Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 16, 2012
    The Speedsafe ZT knives aren't too bad. When I still had it, my 350 was a decent manual knife.
     
  19. csisland

    csisland

    979
    Aug 8, 2013
    doesn't the kershaw blur have the speedsafe? i owned one for a short period of time before losing it but it felt solid but i didn't like assisted opening anyway.
     
  20. pvicenzi

    pvicenzi Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 25, 2008
    Benchmade Griptillion. Don't like the handle, don't like the lock. The only thing I like is the blade.
     

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