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Microtech Combat Troodon vs. Heretic Manticore X

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Haven't seen that many head-to-head comparisons so I thought I'd post some impressions.

Microtech only sends you the knife, Heretic seems a bit more generous. However, Microtech's box feels sturdier so if you store your knives in boxes, you might have a bit more peace of mind.

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Ergonomics
Shapes and dimensions are pretty much alike and equally functional. I like a lot how the Combat Troodon handle swells in the middle and gradually thins out back and front, I kind of dislike how the curvature that hosts your index and middle finger totally lacks chamfering, I'd rather they'd built it more akin to the Ultratech, with a nice chamfer all across the chassis. Manticore is a tad more subdued design-wise, with less pronounced lines, but feels a bit more comfy in hand. Winner in a direct comparison the MX by a very small margin.
MX 1 - CT 0

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Clip & glassbreaker
The clip used on the Troodon and Dirac family is my absolute favorite. Excellent retention, due to the 'double-dip' design you get to decide how low or high in your pocket you'd like to carry, easy to get out of pocket, easy to insert, no hotspots in use. The clip on the Manticore feels like a thermoplastic (a magnet doesn't stick), seems to work fine and you can buy replacement clips from Heretic, but also feels a bit cheap though. Glassbreaker is more of a personal preference thingy (and I don't think knives should necessarily come with such a feature) but I do happen to like Microtech's dome and it doesn't bother me in use or carry. Manticore has done a better design job by integrating it in the handle itself, looks smooth and neat. However, if you do come to having to use a glassbreaker, I think a separate metal piece might provide a bit more structural integrity behind your punch that an aluminum-wrapped ball-only design.
MX 1 - CT 1

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Fit & finish
The marketing geniuses have come up with similar notions, apocalyptic vs. battleworn, probably aiming to appeal to the same demographics. Microtech's apocalyptic finish seems to hide well scratches (and the cringy amount of billboarding) and takes well abuse. I also like the pre-distressed handle, less qualms to not throw it immediately in the pocket. Manticore has again the more clean design with virtually no markings (apart from the upper part of the handle and steel type on blade) but, personal preference again, the heavy stonewashing used in the median area of the blade (in my particular example) has left a lot of scratches that are in stark contrast with the coated parts, and I find the overall two-tone color scheme a bit meh, so
MX 1 - CT 2

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Action
The CT is unnecessarily (bordering on ridiculously) hard to retract. Manticore uses a wider, lower-positioned, sparsely-jimped switch that improves tenfold the action.
MX 2 - CT 2

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Bladeplay/rattle
Absolutely comparable (a tiny amount) of bladeplay on both, no rattle on either.
MX 3 - CT 3

Weight
Manticore weights some 20 gr less, not much in the grand scheme of the Universe but to me lighter is better, so half a point goes to MX
MX 3.5 - CT 3

Price
ManticoreX is less than half the price of a Combat Troodon with comparable materials and built quality, no contest here, I'll even give it a point and a half so we dispense with the fractions.
MX 5 - CT 3

There you have it, if the matter of how there 2 compare against each other was keeping you awake at night :D , glad to have helped.

Edited to add: you might notice I've absolutely ignored blade steel (as I've come to realize geometry is the more important parameter) and cutting performance (my CT is now roughly 18.5 dps, so no fair comparison either).
 
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Awesome work. Thanks for the info. I've been thinking about buying a Manicore X for 2 years. Finally got around to doing some research this morning and saw your post. Couldn't have been better timing. Last I looked they were hard to find. Any recommendations on websites with a large in stock selection?
 
Haven't seen that many head-to-head comparisons so I thought I'd post some impressions.

Microtech only sends you the knife, Heretic seems a bit more generous. However, Microtech's box feels sturdier so if you store your knives in boxes, you might have a bit more peace of mind.

D9ptd2u.jpg


Ergonomics
Shapes and dimensions are pretty much alike and equally functional. I like a lot how the Combat Troodon handle swells in the middle and gradually thins out back and front, I kind of dislike how the curvature that hosts your index and middle finger totally lacks chamfering, I'd rather they'd built it more akin to the Ultratech, with a nice chamfer all across the chassis. Manticore is a tad more subdued design-wise, with less pronounced lines, but feels a bit more comfy in hand. Winner in a direct comparison the MX by a very small margin.
MX 1 - CT 0

MIROkyO.jpg


Clip & glassbreaker
The clip used on the Troodon and Dirac family is my absolute favorite. Excellent retention, due to the 'double-dip' design you get to decide how low or high in your pocket you'd like to carry, easy to get out of pocket, easy to insert, no hotspots in use. The clip on the Manticore feels like a thermoplastic (a magnet doesn't stick), seems to work fine and you can buy replacement clips from Heretic, but also feels a bit cheap though. Glassbreaker is more of a personal preference thingy (and I don't think knives should necessarily come with such a feature) but I do happen to like Microtech's dome and it doesn't bother me in use or carry. Manticore has done a better design job by integrating it in the handle itself, looks smooth and neat. However, if you do come to having to use a glassbreaker, I think a separate metal piece might provide a bit more structural integrity behind your punch that an aluminum-wrapped ball-only design.
MX 1 - CT 1

dl6jvxz.jpg


Fit & finish
The marketing geniuses have come up with similar notions, apocalyptic vs. battleworn, probably aiming to appeal to the same demographics. Microtech's apocalyptic finish seems to hide well scratches (and the cringy amount of billboarding) and takes well abuse. I also like the pre-distressed handle, less qualms to not throw it immediately in the pocket. Manticore has again the more clean design with virtually no markings (apart from the upper part of the handle and steel type on blade) but, personal preference again, the heavy stonewashing used in the median area of the blade (in my particular example) has left a lot of scratches that are in stark contrast with the coated parts, and I find the overall two-tone color scheme a bit meh, so
MX 1 - CT 2

hHQwTDb.jpg


Action
The CT is unnecessarily (bordering on ridiculously) hard to retract. Manticore uses a wider, lower-positioned, sparsely-jimped switch that improves tenfold the action.
MX 2 - CT 2

er8UEAn.jpg


Bladeplay/rattle
Absolutely comparable (a tiny amount) of bladeplay on both, no rattle on either.
MX 3 - CT 3

Weight
Manticore weights some 20 gr less, not much in the grand scheme of the Universe but to me lighter is better, so half a point goes to MX
MX 3.5 - CT 3

Price
ManticoreX is less than half the price of a Combat Troodon with comparable materials and built quality, no contest here, I'll even give it a point and a half so we dispense with the fractions.
MX 5 - CT 3

There you have it, if the matter of how there 2 compare against each other was keeping you awake at night :D , glad to have helped.

Edited to add: you might notice I've absolutely ignored blade steel (as I've come to realize geometry is the more important parameter) and cutting performance (my CT is now roughly 18.5 dps, so no fair comparison either).
Except for the unnecessary holes in the blade (dirt and debris traps) , and the "blood groove" fuller ...no, please just put the Heretic blade on the CT and good to go ! ☺️
 
Resurrecting this old thread to say the Ultem top CT from mid-2023 has brought marginal improvements (wider activation switch, better action) while the brand new Gen 3 blows everything else out of the water (older iterations of CT and Manticore X alike)

(for blade length comparison purposes disregard the bottom CT as it has lost some tip during sharpening)

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Are those side things on the Glykon functional? They look cool and all, but is it easy to close the knife with them?
 
Just got a mid-sized Manticore, thought I'd follow-up with a couple of first impressions on the Manticore-E vs. Ultratech

The delta frag pattern goes deeper than the 'grenade' on the Manticore and overall all details are better executed on the Microtech - but also the price is more than double on the delta frag UT. I also don't necessarily like the plastic insert (seems like a lazy design solution) nor do I need it, but it's a small concession to make towards our lefty brothers out there.

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Changed the UT here so we see absolutely comparable blade shapes (my delta frag is of the F/S variety), again the UT blade has more details and looks better (at least to my eyes), whereas the Manticore blade is a tad shorter but comes with a bit of a hollow grind that (to me) has the edge (pun absolutely intended) in terms of actual cutting prowess over the flat grind on UTs. The DLC job is comparable on both models.

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Heretic are also a bit all over the place with their clips, I've received knives with plastic clips, Ti clips (with or without a Begg ball insert), this one seems to be steel (it's magnetic). No biggie, but quite a lot of inconsistency.

All small details aside, I absolutely love the Manticore-E, might be one of the best price-value ratios on the OTF market.
 
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Did this a while back on the D/E versions, made sense I'd follow-up with some of the fancier S/E versions as well.

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As much as it pains me to admit and to my everlasting shame :), like any other child of the '80s I do thoroughly enjoy the Interceptor blade. It has no usage in real life whatsoever, but it does manage to magically transport me back in time, when summer vacations were a black and white affair, either spending the entire day outside, or inside a darkened room huddled around the VCR with your best buddies. That being said, the bowie blade done by Heretic is better still. As a matter of fact, IMO, this is the sexiest blade shape I've ever seen on an OTF.
(Microtech has their own version of bowie on the CT but I do find their version of clip point somewhat stumped and throwing the proportions off, while the Heretic version presents (to my old eyes) a more slender and mean profile).

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Most of my impressions from 2 years back still hold water. The action on Gen III Microtechs is easier on the thumb, but I do enjoy more the snappier action on the Manticore. I also like a bit better the rounded-off handle contour and the lower-sitting button on the Manticores.

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I do like better the Ti clips on Microtechs, I find them reliable and consistent, easier to remove/insert in the pocket. Heretic's clips have been all over the place, I have delrin ones (which are absolutely awful), metal clips with either Begg ball insert or not, with a lot of tension or not, no rhyme or reason; feels like a coin toss, never knowing what you'll be receiving. On the other hand, Heretic is one of the few companies (if not the only one) that uses the composites on the clip side of the knife, as a right-handed person it feels indisputably better to have the more slippery aluminum scale on the show side and your hand wrapped around the better-traction material.

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Guess I'll be carrying both ;)
 
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How’s the longevity on the Heretic knives? Have you carried and used any long enough to give a report?

I’d never own another CT. I had 3 break in quick succession and won’t be fooled again. I loved everything about the things, especially the stout action and the awesome blade shape on the two tantos I had, but I just can’t trust em.

The Gen 3 I had was anemic as shit. The action was so weak I traded it off.
 
Bought my first Manticore in 2021 when they were still using Elmax, still have it. Used it quite a while though never for long at any given time as I tend to alternate carry. Never misfired on me (but to be completely honest neither did my 4 CTs, sorry you've been having trouble with yours).

I do like the action on Heretics, it manages to be smooth yet snappy at the same time. Out of the CTs I have, I'd say it compares with my Gen 2 ultem-top; the CTs action is all over the place: my 2020 model requires me to hit the thumb-gym before even considering carrying it, the first iteration of Gen III that I've bought back in Feb 2024 has light yet crisp action, while the more recent iterations (like the Interceptor above) feel indeed a bit too much on the limp side.

I also like better the wee hollow grind on Manticores, seems to cut a bit better than the Microtech flats (D/Es in particular). I'd say give the Manticore X a go.
 
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