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Post your 165's!

Discussion in 'Schrade Knives Collectors Forum' started by Codger_64, Mar 18, 2010.

  1. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
    I'm still updating my research on the Schrade Walden and Schrade 165OT, 165UH and SFO patterns and would appreciate it if you guys would post a few pictures and some details like serial numbers, tang stamp locations and sheath types. Any magazine or catalog ads I haven't yet seen would be good too! Every one I record helps define when the changes were made.

    Just to "prime the pump", so to speak, here is a picture of one you haven't seen in a while, the elusive blue Delrin 165OTSM sample...

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  2. brady806

    brady806

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    Feb 21, 2006
    nice micheal:thumbup:, heres a couple-
     

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  3. brady806

    brady806

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    Feb 21, 2006
    one i was glad to get--any idea on production dates for this one?:confused:
     

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  4. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
    Sure do. That is a 165SM a SFO for Smoky Mountain Knife Works. These orange handled 165's were made in 1991 and 2500 were made. I haven't seen one with the DU stamp, but it must have been an overrun of blades from an earlier DU issue. The base pattern was discontinued after 1991. You need a few more patterns to make a full hand there.

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    The blue handled sample I showed above was rejected in favor of the orange handles.

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  5. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
    Here is one we don't see a lot of, the Schrade-Walden SHIKARI 165OT made for Norm Thompson with a special sheath.
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    This ad is from the November of 1966 issue of Outdoor Life.

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    And this picture shows the Shikari sheath with stone, predating the 165UH stone pocket sheaths. I only have two of these, #02200 and #00953. Only one of them has a perfect original sheath with the luggage type fastener on the stone pocket. The blades were from the earliest production run of the standard Old Timer 165's as their standard tang stamps and serials show. I believe Eric has one as well, #02267.
     
  6. brady806

    brady806

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    Feb 21, 2006
    what does the sheild say on that orange handle of yours? that luggage snap on the shikari sheath is neat, dont have one of those........yet. hers my 165uh
     

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  7. Bridgeman

    Bridgeman

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    Oct 1, 2005
    Light was failing when I took these.
    Both 165 COPEs

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  8. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
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  9. tongueriver

    tongueriver Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 28, 2007
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  10. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
    Thanks! Of the two Shikaris I have, likewise only one has the original sheath. What is the serial of your first production 165UH? The serial of your earliest 165OT? These numbers are helping me to better determine when these variants were produced. It is looking as though the Old Timers and Shikaris were produced from the same serialized blade production runs, and also the first run of Uncle Henrys. And not everyone can have a racing blue 165SM. I don't. I went to an auction and all I got was some pictures. It went for over three bills and I only bid half that. By the "third highest bidder" rule, I set the value.
     
  11. tongueriver

    tongueriver Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 28, 2007
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  12. Bridgeman

    Bridgeman

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    Oct 1, 2005
    Codger...
    Was that the one with the cool "story" attached? I get a feeling the story sold it!

    Also, I'll inventory my 165s and post on this thread later, but I believe you already have most of mine.
     
  13. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
    Thanks TR. Your UH numbers shoot my serial number speculation in the head, however. There is no way, to my knowledge, that the 165UH variants with that low of a number could have been produced at the same time as the lowest numbered 165OT and Shikari back in 1966. And it reopens the question of just how your other 165UH, #14608 and my 165UH, serial #13134, could have been produced sequentially since records show less than 5,000 produced total, the first of those shipped in 1969.

    Am I dismayed by this turn of events? Nope. I, like most of you, want the straight story on the 165UH production just like you do, even if it means totally rethinking my research. Thank you!

    Here is the story on the blue 165SM sample posted 11-02-2007:
     
  14. Bridgeman

    Bridgeman

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    Oct 1, 2005
    Codger,
    I know the seller, as you do, and wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them. I remember the listing and cannot believe it was nearly 2 1/2 years ago already! The story sold the knife. I wanted it as badly as you did, but not $3c+ badly.
    As my wise daddy always told me. "It's worth whatever you can get for it." But I don't figure he factored in fabricated history, I mean um, embellished stories, I mean um..., tall tales. Aw never mind!
     
  15. tongueriver

    tongueriver Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 28, 2007
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  16. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
    Yeah but... that is kicked in the head by your having 165UH #00201. For that to fit into the 165OT/Shikari sequence, it would have had to have been produced in 1966. 1969 was the first shipment of the 165UH pattern knives.

    It does suggest that they started serializing them independently in '69 and then switched them to the OT sequence?
     
  17. Bridgeman

    Bridgeman

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    Oct 1, 2005
    I've got it!!!!!!!

    tongue river...
    Send me your No. 00201 and we'll forget it ever happened. Work for you Codg??? :D
     
  18. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
    :mad: That is a terrible solution!

    Both of you send me all of your 165's and start collecting Sharpfingers! :p

    It is in the best interest of science!
     
  19. Bridgeman

    Bridgeman

    814
    Oct 1, 2005
    How about I give you the Sharpfinger? lol... :D
     
  20. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
    With just less than thirty of those on hand, I've about got them figured out. Of course, if you have one with a Schrade-Walden tangstamp I'm willing to consider it! :)
     

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