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Sharpening Chicago Cutlery

Discussion in 'Maintenance, Tinkering & Embellishment' started by deruitem, Nov 30, 2010.

  1. deruitem

    deruitem

    43
    Oct 30, 2010
    I have worked on about 5 Chicago Cutlery knives and so far they seem to just suck. I use the edge pro and have gotten every other knife at least shaving sharp. Any suggestions out there? The knives seem to have 60 degree inclusive edge, I dont really want to repofile them every time. I have a customer that wants me to do all of his knives and I am pretty sure this is what they are going to be
     
  2. I'm assuming you haven't yet tried to reprofile any of them to a more acute angle?

    If you haven't, you might reprofile just ONE for starters. I know it's discouraging to contemplate reprofiling the whole set, but you might (maybe) be surprised at the improvement in cutting performance, when taken to a fairly acute bevel (maybe 15 degrees per side, or perhaps even lower).

    I'm only saying this based on my (limited) experience with what I'd previously assumed to be a 'cheap' imported Chicago Cutlery utility knife (6") that I purchased at Walmart for about $7.00. At the time, my main goal was to get some 'practice' using my guided sharpener (GATCO). Didn't really expect much out of the knife itself. I ended up being very pleasantly surprised at the cutting performance of the 'whatever mystery steel' blade. Took an acute edge that was literally hair-whittling sharp. I've never used the EdgePro, so I can't tell you what to do about that. But I'd think it's more than enough tool for the job. The guided sharpeners (EdgePro, Lansky, GATCO, etc.) really shine for reprofiling work. Trying to match what is probably a mediocre factory edge might be a waste of the EdgePro's capability.

    I don't know if the knives you're referring to are the same variety or otherwise similar. But, if you haven't yet tried to take at least one of them more acute by reprofiling, I'd recommend giving it a go. Kitchen knives, so long as they're not abused, can be ground pretty thin and perform very well. Whatever touching up they might need can usually be done easily by stropping or steeling.

    Hope this helps. Good luck.
     
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2010
  3. deruitem

    deruitem

    43
    Oct 30, 2010
    Thanks, I think I may give it a try. These are the all stainless version and the steel just seems to be crap. I dont know if maybe its a heat treat issue or not. Ill let you know what happens
     
  4. HoosierQ

    HoosierQ

    Feb 9, 2010
    Back in the day Chicago Cutlery were pretty good. Those days seem to be over. They're the knives you want to like because the do seem well thought out in terms of blade shape. I would try the re-profile. If they are older ones, they may turn out better than we're giving credit for.
     
  5. That's what surprised me with the knife I reprofiled. It was one of the 'new' generation imported knives, and it turned out quite good. I think the cheaper knives might be more hit-or-miss, with regard to heat treat issues. But you can still get lucky sometimes.
     
  6. HeavyHanded

    HeavyHanded KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jun 4, 2010
    I have two of the newer Chinese stainless ones. Edge retention is not so good, but they do take an edge quick and easy. All I've ever used on mine are a coarse steel and a fine steel. Good in the kitchen but they always seem to need a swipe or two when taken out of the drawer.
    HH
     
  7. lawp

    lawp

    281
    Jan 10, 2007
    I have one fairly old stainless steel Chicago Cutlery chefs knife, 41S marked on the walnut handle. I reprofiled and sharpened it with a convex edge on a 1" slack belt sander, finishing with a leather belt and then buffing wheel. Produced a super sharp edge which lasts "forever" if used only on a plastic cutting board.
     
  8. 5alviati

    5alviati

    1
    Aug 13, 2013
    I contacted Chicago Cutlery via email because I have a set of their steak knives. This is what they said, "The Chicago Cutlery knives are sharpened at a 26 degree angle; 13 degrees per side." Hope that helps.
     
  9. OHALLUM

    OHALLUM

    Jul 17, 2012
    Probably won't help much, since that thread was nearly 3 years ago! Surprised that they actually answered you and even knew what you were asking about. However, the angle sounds about right for a mass produced kitchen knife.

    Blessings,

    Omar
     
  10. Ben Dover

    Ben Dover

    Aug 2, 2006
    Omar, the light at the end of the tunnel is actually the headlamp of another train!:D:D

    OP, what stones are you using??

    I've had very good results with the original EP 320 stone on low cost kitchen knives. Be sure to raise a small burr on each side, remove it and 5-10 laps on a strop.

    BTW, I have and still use a 30 year old carbon steel Chicago Cutlery skinning knife. It takes, and holds, an excellent edge.:thumbup:
     
  11. Czechmate

    Czechmate

    Feb 24, 2011
    I've sharpened most of our chicago set on my paper wheels and am very happy with the results. They seem to take a nice edge and don't dull too quickly on wood or plastic cutting boards...
     
  12. Omega Leather Works

    Omega Leather Works

    Jun 13, 2007
    Hmm... I've got a set from this company. Not sure how old it is, it was probably my parents.

    We use an assortment of kitchen knives, most of it not very good. I haven't been that good about buying and maintaining the kitchen cutlery, mostly because I'm not all that interested in it. I usually run the blades over a dual grit Norton SiC and call it good. I'll keep my eyes open for the Chicago stuff.

    If it's true that they put an edge as acute as they claim on their knives they should be pretty easy to maintain. That is, if they aren't damaged.
     
  13. wvdavidr

    wvdavidr

    322
    Mar 21, 2007
    I bought lots of Chicago Cutlery knives to learn and experiment with. The factory angles tend to be really thick, esp. on the all-stainless (including the handle) ones. Thinning with a belt grinder and then sharpening produces good results. I can make them really sharp with paper wheels or almost any guided sharpener. Unfortunately they don't hold the edge all that well.
    Good sharpening,
    Dave
     
  14. Novaculite

    Novaculite

    79
    Jul 28, 2013
    13° angle per side??? They must be talking about the primary bevel beginning at the spine. The bevel at the edge is probably more like 20° per side. The softer stainless steel blades they produce today, when facing a carrot or even a T-bone, would fold over and die at that angle.

    I have a set of Chicago Cutlery kitchen knives from the 1970's and have always been impressed by their performance, a joy to work with, they take and maintain a good edge. Those were the days.
     
  15. elementfe

    elementfe

    May 3, 2008
    Another sad story, like Gerber they've gone to the lowest end of the market.
    Chicago used to make wonderful knives, if you like carbon steel, their old ones are great cutters. The ones people bring me to sharpen are kind of awful, very soft steel. From the factory, they're sharpened at a very blunt angle, since soft steel can't really support an acute one- you can use a steeper angle if you're willing to steel it frequently.
     
  16. ConBon

    ConBon

    Jan 17, 2012
    I have been working on my mother's set of US made SS Chicago Cutlery knives. They were dull as the butter knives, but I have used the stone border around the flower bed, and 400 grit wet or dry sandpaper on a small piece of 1/2" square steel stock that I drawfiled flat. They have hair popping edges and are still going strong a month and a half later. Now I just need to take away the sharpening steel so she doesn't ruin them :D. The paring knife is at 8 degrees a side (16 degrees inclusive) and the others are at 16 degrees a side or so.

    Good Luck,
    Connor
     
  17. Novaculite

    Novaculite

    79
    Jul 28, 2013
    What the...? 8° a side??? Comes close to my straight razors. For a stainless steel paring knife, that is truly amazing. And they stay sharp for weeks without much (very light) steeling? I'm impressed.
     
  18. wvdavidr

    wvdavidr

    322
    Mar 21, 2007
    I think the steak knives I have were originally at least 25 degrees per side (maybe 30). I thinned them down to around 18 or 20, which removed a lot of metal. They work much better this way. Edge holding is not great, but a quick pass with a ceramic steel brings them right back.

    Good sharpening,
    Dave
     
  19. ConBon

    ConBon

    Jan 17, 2012
    It is a pretty stout blade, and i've always been naturally good at sharpening. But the big reason it's still sharp is that I took my time going through the grits.

    Cheers,
    Connor
     
  20. wilejoe

    wilejoe

    62
    Aug 8, 2013
    The old ones used to be made over here and as people stated pretty good . The newer ones are made in china and are made very,very cheaply. Big dissapointment
     

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