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Skateboard wheels and bearings for grinder wheels?

Discussion in 'Shop Talk - BladeSmith Questions and Answers' started by jaymeister99, Jul 25, 2011.

  1. jaymeister99

    jaymeister99

    812
    Sep 14, 2010
    Anybody tried using skateboard wheels and bearings for cheap grinder wheels?
     
  2. Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith

    Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith ilmarinen - MODERATOR Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Aug 20, 2004
    Think about it .......and I bet you will answer the question yourself.
     
  3. richard j

    richard j

    Apr 1, 2007
    i thought about it a long time ago and that was about as far as i got. a waste of time is what i thought.
     
  4. Mike Davis

    Mike Davis

    Feb 7, 2006
    Those bearings get hot pretty fast
     
  5. Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith

    Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith ilmarinen - MODERATOR Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Aug 20, 2004
    Yes, you thought right.
    My son was a pretty good skateboarder and got a lot of boards and wheels free from sponsoring manufacturers. We had boxes of wheels and bearings sitting in the workshop. They both wear out will little use. On a grinder, they would last minutes at the most.
     
  6. Seals

    Seals

    Oct 12, 2007
    Dang,Had my hopes up for a minute.The wheels for my flat platen setup are worn and tapered pretty bad.Cost a small fortune from Wilton.Anyone know where to get them aftermarket?Wilton Square Wheel machine.
     
  7. CM Forge

    CM Forge

    48
    May 27, 2011
    You may try Sunray http://www.sunray-inc.com/ they have really good prices. All they need is the size you are wanting and they will make it for you. I have purchased two 8", two 4", and a 3/4" wheel from them. One of the 8" wheels is a tad bit off balance, but other than that they work perfectly.
    curtis
     
  8. JasonSCarter

    JasonSCarter

    Dec 20, 2008
    Well I'll be the odd duck, and say that while not a grinder, we have used skateboard bearings for bandsaw blade guide bearings on our bandsaw FOR YEARS! it gets used maybe a total of 30 minutes per week, and they've been on it for atleast 15 years now, with no problems.

    Jason
     
  9. Seals

    Seals

    Oct 12, 2007
    Thank you,This may be a possibility.The rollers are quite specialized the way they adjust but sunray looks like a good try.
     
  10. jdm61

    jdm61 itinerant metal pounder Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Aug 12, 2005
    Back in the days when dinosaurs roamed the earth and urethane skateboard wheels were new (thats the mid to late 70's for you youngsters) the top quality wheels like later Sims or Powell-Peralta actually used very high quality sealed bearings. I think some of them were NGK. REally cheap toy store wheels still had loose bearings. Those of us that didn't have wheels with those good bearings (like Cadillac wheels, the original urethane wheel maker which used a low quality sealed bearing that would unseal itself in short order) would sometimes replace the ones in our wheels. We were shocked at how quiet and FAST the boards were. Unfortunately, surprised usually means you do a face plant when the board is that much faster. LOL i suspect that after years of building these wheels, the manufacturers probably figured out that skateboard wheels didn't need high quality industrial grade bearings.
     
  11. jaymeister99

    jaymeister99

    812
    Sep 14, 2010
    The heat generated in the bearings was what I was worried about. I'll stick with wheels from Sunray.
     
  12. Atlas Knife Company

    Atlas Knife Company KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 16, 2010
    The wheels wouldn't work very well. The 70a durometer polyurethane of a skate wheel(designed with a 500 lb. working load in mind at 4000 FPM) is different than the 70 polyurethane of the contact wheel because. . . Abec-8 bearings are only rated for 32000 RPM. . . Wait. Maybe it's that the back of a belt is so much rougher than the asphalt/concrete. . . Nope, that's not it either.

    Yes, I know they won't work, but not for the reasons given. 70 durometer polyurethane is the same, the bearings are the same. Unless you're build a 1x30 grinder, you're going to have a hard time finding 2" wide wheels.
     
  13. jaymeister99

    jaymeister99

    812
    Sep 14, 2010
    The problem isnt the size of the wheels. I found skateboard wheels that are two inches wide.
     
  14. ShadowsHamon

    ShadowsHamon

    40
    Jun 28, 2011
  15. C-9

    C-9

    112
    Mar 14, 2009
    Lots of BS here. I've used longboard wheels that are 2" wide 3" in diameter. No they aren't as high quality as real wheels, but everyone knew that already.

    The problem is that they're conical, and you have to make them cylindrical/crowned.

    Also an idling wheel is not a high stress job. You've got ~20-40 lbs of even consistent force spread out among 4 wheels on a KMG type setup, and realistically about 3000 fpm or 35 mph, 55mph max unless you go with crazy belt speeds, meaning 4000-6000 rpm, really only 33% more rpm than a 4" drive wheel. Stop kidding yourselves. What skateboard wheels lack is precision.
     
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2011
  16. Nathan the Machinist

    Nathan the Machinist KnifeMaker / Machinist / Evil Genius Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Feb 13, 2007
    Yup.

    There is nothing inhearently wrong with skateboard bearings for their intended use. They're generally intentionally loose bearings and work reliably and with low drag as skateboard wheels. But for knife grinding you're going to want graded bearings, probably abec 5. (surface grinding 7 or 9)

    If ya'll think your knife grinder bearings are spendy, you should look into spindle bearings for real milling machines, lathes and (gasp) surface grinders. The last time I put bearings in a mill the bearings alone were nearly a thousand dollars.

    It doesn't pay to use cheap bearings (false economy) but it is also silly to spend too much on overly fancy bearings. abec 5 will be good and won't break the bank in the size you're talking about. Abec 3 for idlers should be okay.

    BTW, better bearings frequently get hotter than cheap bearings, at least during break in. But then they run a long time without play and vibration.
     
  17. jaymeister99

    jaymeister99

    812
    Sep 14, 2010
    I was going to use abec7 ceramics. But for the hassle, I would just assume buy some wheels from Sunray. But I got to admit I would like to experiment with some skateboard wheels.:thumbup:

    EDIT: I might have to make that plain abec7, I don't know if they make ceramic abec7.
     
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2011
  18. C-9

    C-9

    112
    Mar 14, 2009
    Even then, ABEC bearings are not uncommon in skateboard wheels.
     
  19. Carl_First_Timer

    Carl_First_Timer

    Dec 6, 2010
    I have abec 7 on my skateboard. I bought it one day went for a ride, started going too fast, fell off, and it has been collecting dust ever since. :D
     
  20. jaymeister99

    jaymeister99

    812
    Sep 14, 2010
    I used to rollerblade literally every day. I switched from Abec 3 to Swiss. WOW! Took some getting used to. Amazing what a difference a high tolerance bearing can do. But that was quite a long time ago.
     

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