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Turkish damascus bowie, extensive WIP

Discussion in 'Custom & Handmade Knives' started by Manuel Quiroga G., Oct 5, 2011.

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  1. Manuel Quiroga G.

    Manuel Quiroga G.

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    Nov 14, 2006
    Hi to all,
    For some time now I started working on a 8 bar twisted damascus blade, for a bowie I have in mind. I took a lot of pictures of the process and I will start showing them.
    Note: when I decided to take pictures of the process I already had the base damascus already made, so I took some pictures of other damascus proyects, as the procedure is the same.

    Cuting and grinding the layers. I use 15n20 and 5160 for almost all of my damascus now...

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    Ready to arc welding

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    Handle

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    And kersosene. I have seen in american WIPs that you have translucent kerosene, here kersonse is red.

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    And forge

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    And welding with press

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    Grinding the arc weld stitches

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    Now its clean and we can continue

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    (here you can see a W arrangement, not the billet I actually used, but wanted to show my whole process)

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    Ok, after that re stack and welding again.

    Now we start with the real billet.
    It has a diferent arrangement than the merovingian, but a similar principle. The merovingian has a sandwich of many layers-3 thick layers-many layers. This one, has many layers-3thick layers-many layers-3 thick layers-many layers.

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    Now we start drawing it out

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    For me power hammer is faster

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    Here is the first jig I use in my turkish damascus

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    Nothing fancy, but really helps in achieving even bars.

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    Second jig, this one is really good for squaring up any diamond shape.

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    Looking good

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    That is one bar, the original billet was cut in half because the bar would be very long, like forging a wire.

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    I didn't cut the billet in equal halves or it wasn't really even at the time so it yield one longer bar than the other one, so I seize that mistake later on, you'll see.

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    The twisting machine

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    Last edited: Oct 8, 2011
  2. Manuel Quiroga G.

    Manuel Quiroga G.

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    Nov 14, 2006
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    I have to thank Luciano Dorneles for showing me this machine, it really takes twisting to another level.

    Another forge for this job

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    Looking really good.

    And my loyal companion, Diego

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    Ok, hope I didn't bore you with so may pictures, and I will continue tomorrow.
    I will gladly answer any questions.
     
  3. orca8589

    orca8589 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 27, 2007
    Very cool. I love the process as much as the finished product. I'll follow this thread for a while; thanks for posting.

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  4. Burl Source

    Burl Source

    Dec 7, 2008
    Great WIP!
    I will be looking forward to see what comes next.
    Thank You for posting this Manuel.
     
  5. RogerP

    RogerP Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 28, 2002
    Good knife stuff - and cool shop dog.

    Roger
     
  6. Kislinger

    Kislinger

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    Jul 7, 2010
    nice WIP thanks for show. I am looking forward to the finished
    take care
    Milos
     
  7. GTCknives

    GTCknives KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

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    Jul 24, 2010
    Thanks for the pics!
     
  8. Bruce Bump

    Bruce Bump KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 2, 1999
    Very interesting. I made popcorn and waiting for the welding of the twisted bars.
     
  9. JParanee

    JParanee Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 23, 2006
    Very interested

    Great dog
     
  10. RonNewton

    RonNewton

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    Aug 2, 2000
    Looking good so far Manuel. It appears you have a well equipped shop.
    Ron
     
  11. John White

    John White

    Jun 23, 2007
    It's fun to see the creative process at work.

    Looking forward to seeing how the variation in lay-up turns out.

    John
     
  12. D lisch

    D lisch KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Aug 27, 2007
    thanks for showing us that twisting jig I like that it can go away when your done twisting what size did you take your bar to before twisting looks like about 5/8
     
  13. Manuel Quiroga G.

    Manuel Quiroga G.

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    Nov 14, 2006
    David, my twisting bars are 10x10 mm, more like 3/8" right? I'm not good with inches. I think in mm.

    Here are today's pictures:

    A detailed picture of the twisting jig

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    All 8 bars are ready now:

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    And again to the squareing jig

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    All 8 bars squared

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    And then I flatten them

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    And finally the little bars are ready for cleaning and welding

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    So here you can see what I'm gonna do with the difference in lenth. The long bars will go in the edge side middle and the short ones in the back part of the blade.
    When I first started making turkish patterns I did it welding the two halves and then reorienting the bars to make the edge and the back bar to convenge in the tip, but I never like the way the rest of the bars meet with each other, the tip doesn't have a clean look, IMHO. So now I make the hole tip to turn and then cut the excess. You'll see...

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    At this point I decided to make a light welding in the tips and heat it up to press everything together before preparing the actual billet.

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    Notice the piece of mild steel in the tip, that is just to have an even pressing later on.
    The lateral welds are really superficial so there is no contamination of steels.

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    I looks like a good weld, right?

    I'll continue tomorrow.

    Thanks for looking
     
  14. zuluninja

    zuluninja boricua grinder Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Aug 25, 2009
    that looks awesome! Quiroga and Guiraldes...pretty strong last names u got there. Any relation to the writers?
     
    Last edited: Oct 6, 2011
  15. Manuel Quiroga G.

    Manuel Quiroga G.

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    Nov 14, 2006
    Zuluninja, where are you from? I'm surprise you know them. Ricardo G├╝iraldes was my grandfather's uncle, on my mother's side. I don't have a know relation with Horacio Quiroga, but you never know, Quiroga is a very common name in this parts...

    Glad you like the WIP
     
    Last edited: Oct 6, 2011
  16. NickWheeler

    NickWheeler

    Dec 3, 1999
    Very very cool stuff Manuel!!! :cool:

    I see in that last pic you have a pipe threading machine set up for twisting. Why didn't you use it for this? Is it too much for the small bars?

    I really like your other twisting rig too! I built something VERY similar, but need to make some changes to mine. It looks like yours has a few differences that would make mine work much better.

    And that press is a BEAST!!! :eek: :thumbup: :cool:

    Thanks Manuel!!! :)
     
  17. Manuel Quiroga G.

    Manuel Quiroga G.

    411
    Nov 14, 2006
    Thank you Nick!
    I bought the pipe threading machine some months ago, intended for twisting big bars, but I couldn't use it with the 3 point clamp because it rounded the bars while working. I decided to adapt a 4 clamp lathe plate but haven't been able to buy it yet. Although I think that for small bars like this ones it would be better the manual one, for better control.

    Thank you for looking.
     
  18. Karda

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    Jun 1, 2007
  19. Karda

    Karda Banned BANNED

    Jun 1, 2007
    Thank You, Manuel!
    it makes it much easier for the mods and supermods and shows that you are proud to support bladeforums!
     
  20. Manuel Quiroga G.

    Manuel Quiroga G.

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    Nov 14, 2006
    Thank you Karda! didn't know how to do that...
     
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