A bit disappointed...

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So I finally got my first GEC, a Harness Jack with spear punch. It's very nice in almost all aspects, but the main blade is quite off-center. Here is the knife (office pics, sorry about the poor quality):





Please tell me this is unusual. I would like to buy more GECs, but not if this is is common. I have decided to keep this knife just because I don't want to go back and forth with the dealer.:grumpy:
 
Production knives are not custom quality in the fit department.
As long as the blade is clear of the liner, that is all you can expect!
I bought a Case CV stockman 6318, a number of years ago, and looked at 4 or 5 of them and got the one with the best blade fit. Within a month of using it, the main blade started to strike the center liner quite severely, actually hanging up!
I sent it back, and they replaced the blade!
When I visited the factory a year or two later, and talked to one of the guys who did
heat treating, he said that occasionally a blade will warp when the stress is relieved, and I likely did it while using the knife, by slightly flexing the blade!! Not my fault of course.
If you repeatedly "crink" a blade (tap it with a cutler's hammer) to get it centered, you can fatigue it, causing future problems. They crink them as seldom as possible.
A knife can wholesale for less than half of what you pay for it, so if a cutler f*rts around with it too much, the profit goes out the window.
You get what you pay for. If you want a perfect knife, pony up the $1000 to $4000 and buy a Tony Bose!!
 
So I finally got my first GEC, a Harness Jack with spear punch. It's very nice in almost all aspects, but the main blade is quite off-center.

Please tell me this is unusual. I would like to buy more GECs, but not if this is is common. I have decided to keep this knife just because I don't want to go back and forth with the dealer.:grumpy:

In my limited experience with GEC, yes this is unusual. I've had 5 GEC's of varying sizes, and 4 of them were dead center or very close to centered in the liners, and 1 was off probably half way between center and the liner - not as much as yours.

I'm no good at linking to another thread, but take a look at post #11 by Voltron in the thread "off center blade". May give you some slight consolation if it's applicable to your knife.
 
Just checked my GECs and all blades are right on center. Mine see lots of use, so even if they were off a bit I would'nt mind. Such heavy duty users! Hope you enjoy yours as much as I have mine.
 
capt. carl this a sub-standard. while i do'nt wish to develuge number i own with over 20 knives i've yet to see one not perfect. this is why i buy gec instead of others. send it back, we are not talking about 20$ pocket knives here.
 
I can't speak for GEC, but if I bought production knives based on the blades being centered I wouldn't have many. I just grabbed my eye brand stockman to throw some oil in it and play with it. The main blade is off center, and I was admiring the blades all tucked in nice...

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From the pictures, the blade looks very close to liner. If it was me...that one would be going back. I don't mind production knives a little off center but the one you have would bother me. It doesn't always have to do with functionally. If it did, there would be no reason to buy anything but ugly yet functional knives. :)

If it bothers you....send it back.
 
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I recently got a Queen liner lock minhunter that had a very loose blade - lateral play was excessive, and the blade was wavy. The blade was bent. I sent it back to the vendor - not a knive I could use. I wouldn't trust a blade that flopped from side to side.

I hope that this isn't typical of Queen.
 
arty i guess i'm lucky because after 7 months of many purchases i have'nt had to send one knife back. beleive me i know if a blade is defective.sorry you guys are'nt as lucky as myself, maybe the makers got together on a forum & said dennis knows knives so save the junk for the newbies. just humor
 
Yeah no biggie. They poop them out by the hundreds and can't possibly check them all. If you don't like it, send it back.
 
Cisco,

Although I do agree with most here in that if that sort of thing ruins your day, you might want to stay away from non-custom man made slipjoints. But you are the one that needs to be happy with the knife, nobody else. I have noticed that the GEC factory has several of these in their inventory and they would be glad to replace / repair it to meet your expectations. Just shoot it to them with a note and they will take care of it asap.

On somewhat of a tangent: For most of us, it was the 80 year old Case, Remington, Winchester, etc. knives that got us started in this hobby. And we always catch ourselves saying "they just don't make them like they used to". But if you handle very many of these fine old knives you will find that these little "less that perfect" issues occurred in nearly every example. Nail breaking backsprings, slightly opened backsprings, rubbing blades, etc. It was a tool and if it worked our grandfather used that dude. Schrade and Camillus are gone because they couldn't make a work knife cheap enough to compete with china machine made brands. Case is hurting because the demand for pure collector knives is faltering. Now we have a handful of American craftsmen making knives that can be the collectible and workhorse solutions. Even if there is zero cost in a knife (equipment, rent, utilities, raw materials), how many do you have to make in a day to keep 25+ workers paid enough to support their families? (do your own calculations here assuming a knife that the factory will sell for $60).... Now, if they insured every one was near custom grade, how many fewer would they be making? (again do your calculations here)... I'm glad I am not in the knife manufacturing business in 2010....

My figures: 25 people times $15 per hour times 8 hours is $3000 daily cost just in personnel cost. Means you have to make 50 knives daily if they didn't cost a dime to produce. Now if each knife took an extra 25 minutes to fine tune to near perfection (and there was no material lost in correction) the production would be cut to 45 knives per day which is $2700 which is $13.50 per hour. Sadly bone slabs, nickel silver, brass sheets, steel, utilities, rent, free shipping, and depreciation of equipment is not zero cost or these people could average $31,200 making fine knives or $28,080 making near custom knives. Since I don't have a clue what all the overhead is, let's just assume that it does cost a significant amount.... I repeat, I'm glad I am not in the knife manufacturing business in 2010...

Mike Latham
CollectorKnives.Net
 
Thank you for all your replies. They were all very helpful. I've been using the knife and decided to keep it because I like it and it works well. This is my try-this-brand knife: it will be carried for two or three months and only then will I decide if to buy more. For now I can overlook a "minor" fit issue.

As far as the centering of the blade goes, I guess I've been spoiled by Spyderco, Benchmade, and others in which I expect a knife in this price range (paid $80) to be nearly perfect. I stopped buying Case several years ago because of this issue. Nonetheless, so far I'm loving the knife: feels really solid and robust, with good traditional looks. It's very office-friendly, too. Overall, in spite of the slight disappointment, I've decided that I don't regret the purchase.
 
Got any more pictures of it? the scales look like they are nice from what I can see.
 
Nobody wins if someone gets a knife they are not happy with. It doesn't matter if I consider it a defect; if GEC considers it a defect; or whether everybody willing to throw in their 2cents on every forum in the world thinks it is a defect. If it is going to turn your stomach when you rub it, get that sucker taken care of immediately. Great Eastern does not want anybody to have a bad taste in their mouth. It may cost them profit on 5 other knives (insert children crying here) to fix a minor issue and re-ship; but that is beans compared to loss of sales when bad press hits the internet.

It is a consensus we want GEC to stay in business, and the best way to insure that is to make every customer a happy customer.

Mike Latham
CollectorKnives.Net
 
Thanks Mike.

I just got an Executive Whittler in today, and it's an amazing knife. What a cool pattern.
 
Got any more pictures of it? the scales look like they are nice from what I can see.
Yes, the knife is very nice. The scales are burnt bone to look like stag. Here are some pics, better than the ones I took at the office.:) Some pics have a .45 round to give you an idea of size. Length closed is 4 1/8 inches.








This is how it looks closed:


 
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