A question for longtime BF members

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David Williams

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Wasn't there a Bladeforum member who volunteered to have a stungun tested on him? Or was it mace? Or am I having a false memory occurance
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If I'm right, who was it and did he go through with it?

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I saw on tv that in some police training they make the cadets take pepper spray in the face, so they understand what it feels like
 
Actually, as I recall a couple of people tested the stun gun & reported that it had negligible effect. Browsing the older threads in Tactical & Martial Arts should turn up the info.

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Cougar Allen was the first to test it...He was less than affected by it from what I reemember. Forgive me for not remembering the other forumite's name who tested it, but I do remember he actually videotaped himself firing a handgun into a target while being zapped, showing how unaffected he was by it.

YeK

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If my memory serves me, it was something about neutralizing snake bite poison. And the guy did it at a gun show. It might of been in the general forum in a thread about "Funny stories in flea markets", that where I remember the stun gun story. Hope it helps.

Sincerely,
Adam

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It was Cougar Allen. I couldn't remember the other forumite though.


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Reynaert
 
Why do we spray ourselves with pepper spray to find out what it feels like? Next are we going to hit ourselves with an ASP or shoot ourselves with a gun to see what that feels like also? I think we already know that pepper spray or a stun gun could be quite unpleasant.
 
RE: Cadets being sprayed by OC..

I think it is so they know what it's like to prevent the shock of being totally incapaciated by it if some gets blown into their face when they use it in the field.
 
Jeez, next your going to start telling us that we've got to stop stabing ourselves also
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Sincerely,
Adam

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Self improvement is a hobby of mine :).

 
Years ago when I was a lot more foolish and had a lot more time, I was a very serious martial artist. As part of training we were not only sprayed with several types of defense gases, but were stuned and also had a dog attack us. Quite the class, let me tell you. I learned that all most tear gases will do is make your nose run. I wasn't bothered very much by any but one police type one. The stun devices are very dependent on what you are wearing. A heavy leather jacket nulllifies these things. I single dog is not very effective against a thinking person. Let it bite on your weaker arm while you kill it with your stromg arm with your easy to open tactical knife. This was almost twenty years ago. I've learned a kind word can get you out of almost anything.

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Re: dogs... Best of luck to you. Up against a properly trained dog, I'd bet on the dog almost every time, especially if you don't have a way to keep them at distance.

Spark

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Kevin Jon Schlossberg
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10% Pepper Foam goes good on Taco Bell food at 2:00 AM...

Dont ask me how I know...

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I mean, if I went around saying I was an Emperor because some
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I'm not a long time member but I have two quick factoids:
1. The military using this same logic sends trainees through "The Tear Gas House" during basic. I used to love watching the Drill Sergeants walk in and out with little or no ill effects because they had been exposed so many times.
2. Anyone remember the very first episode of "COPS?" They had footage of a Police German Shepard trying to get ahold of this one perp. The guy simple distracted the dog and kicked it in the ribs. The dog was disabled but the police officers didn't react kindly to having one of theirs attacked. But it just goes to show that if you're quick enough, and keep you wits about you dog attacks can be defended (I'll post about the Rotty that got me at a different date).

[This message has been edited by C Rushing (edited 25 August 1999).]
 
Those threads are in the Tactical forum -- you can find them even without the search function; they're not that far back and they're clearly labeled. There was a thread in this forum, too -- I'm pretty sure there's a link to that one in at least one of the Tactical forum threads.

Ken Cook was next after me to test the "stun gun" and his wife was third. I forget who's next in line. There was also some talk about testing a Taser and I'm not sure if we decided who gets to have the fun first....

Testing the "stun gun" was not a particularly unpleasant experience for any of us, in fact we all found it rather amusing. See the threads for details.

There's also a thread in the Tactical forum where SB tested pepper spray on himself. That *was* unpleasant but didn't impair his ability to fight much. I think he also posted the report on his website.

-Cougar Allen :{)
 
I know one of the things DPS cadets have done to them is getting sprayed with OC while an instructor tosses a Red Gun on the grass. The cadet has to find the gun hand it to the instructor, and also have the wits to run over and their face hosed off with water.
It is a confidence drill so the cadets know that they can function after being sprayed.
 
I must be a puss, because when I went through the OC house, I was all sorts of screwed up afterwards. Crying, snot, shortness or breath, the whole nine yards. I made it out of there, but I was almost no good for 15 minutes, and didn't feel great for a while after that.

Spark

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Kevin Jon Schlossberg
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Qick dumb story,but a true one.

I grew jalapeno's in my garden this year. Read where you can dry them out, then put them in your blender and make "pepper" out of them. Sounded like a good way to have them all winter, so I tried it. But, when I took the lid off the blender, a cloud of pepper dust rose up into my face, and since I was breathing at the time, I inhaled it. Took my breath away for a good minute or so. And when I say took my breath away, I'm talking gasping and choking. Of course I could be a puss too, but untill then I didn't think so!
 
re: dogs

Cmon Spark, it's only a dog. it's not like we are dealing with fire ants, woodchucks, or the ever deadly beaver. Dogs are pushover compared to those monsters...
 
Spark, the question is not whether you were experiencing discomfort, it's whether your ability to shoot or stab was impaired.

Or in other words ... rather than ask yourself, "Do I want to go through that again?" Ask yourself, "If that had been a real fight what would I have done to the other guy after he sprayed me?"

If the answer is, "Nothing," then your experience is evidence for the efficiacy of pepper spray. If the answer is, "I would have gone on shooting or stabbing or choking him or whatever I was doing to him before he sprayed me" -- possibly with less effectiveness due to impaired vision and breathing, possibly with increased enthusiasm....

From what you've said so far, it isn't clear which side of the question your experience weighs in on....

Pepper spray does have some effect on most attackers (unlike "stun guns"). There are numerous reports of it being used in successful encounters, usually in combination with other weapons and techniques but sometimes pepper spray alone has been sufficient. It is disturbing, though, that many people seem to think pepper spray is the universal answer to all close quarters attacks; that it will stop any attacker and there's no need to practice any martial art but the use of pepper spray or carry any other weapon. It just ain't so.

-Cougar Allen :{)
 
In my case, I'd probably try to run and regroup because I was staggering, couldn't see straight, could barely breathe, etc. I was not totally out of commission, because I could move and I could barely see, but I was severely affected.

As for the stun guns, I had one used on me once, and *POW* was on the ground. So, despite the people who say otherwise, I maintain a healthy fear and respect for them.

Spark

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